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Canonical Announces Mir Back-End For Mainline Mesa
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People here does not understand one big thing: conflict of interests and goals. If GNOME wants some design and Canonical wants different design then they simply cannot work on the same project. The same thing with Wayland - constant patching to make it usable in Ubuntu would be a huge waste of time. Porting changes(like reusing Android drivers) to newer versions would be pretty painful and sluggish. Just like overlay scrollbars, appmenu and various other things. If you need to change core functionality then your code won't be accepted by upstream. And you end up with ugly, patched code and partly implemented design. And that's what Unity is today. If they want robust, stable, efficient and beautiful desktop, they need to "reinvent the wheel". Just like Apple did, with the difference that they are doing it OpenSource.
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Originally posted by Pawlerson View PostThere's no way gnome devs would accept patches that make it usable and this is probably one of the reasons why Canonical suffers from NIH syndrome (exactly like gnome).
the only thing i will say about Gnome vs. Canonical - is that (generally speaking) Gnome's projects are much more essential than any code Canonical puts out. (Hell, Ubuntu/Unity is built on Gnome, for fcsk sake! ...and while i do use _some_ of the gnome stack, i'm not a Gnome-Shell user, nor a hardcore gnome fanboy.
anyway, you are delusional to think (and vocalize) such silly notions.
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Originally posted by talvik View PostHopefully Qt and GTK will also refuse to mainline the changes.
The sooner Mir dies, the less damage it will cause.
You don't get it, do you? Canonical's plan for Ubuntu is to achieve MacOS-like seamless integration. Stitching together components from right and left won't cut it. They need to to be at the steering wheel, at least for the components that interface with the user. That will allow them to build deeper emotional connection with their users and thous stronger brand. It has been proven that enstablished projects have their own agendas and will not bend to Ubuntu needs. Also forking and maintaining huge patch sets lead to dead end. Mir and Unity are necessary investments if Ubuntu is to become something more than just a Gnome distro.Last edited by zoomblab; 05 March 2013, 06:33 PM.
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Originally posted by zoomblab View PostStitching together components from right and left won't cut it. They need to to be at the steering wheel, at least for the components that interface with the user.
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Originally posted by zoomblab View PostHopefully Mir will become great success and all you will eat your words!Last edited by Drago; 05 March 2013, 06:54 PM.
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Originally posted by Siekacz View PostThis is best picture of so-called "FOSS Community". Hate, jealous, hypocrisy and IBC (Invented By Canonical) syndrome. If Mir will be successful, then it is only GOOD for everyone. If not - it will fail, so who cares? Go on Canonical, show what you can do and don't look at jealous and hating guys just because you do not want to use their code. Ubuntu is your distro and if Wayland does not fulfill your expectations and forces compromises just don't use it.
-Two competing new DS is going to make the situation even worse than just with Xorg
-They didn't engage with Wayland, and created the project secretly
-It's going to fragment GNU/Linux ecosystem on a base level (it's not like creating yet another desktop shell)
-They didn't create it for technical reasons. They want complete control and ownership of the copyright and the project.
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