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Thread: ARM: This Open-Source Stack Will Only Grow Louder

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    Default ARM: This Open-Source Stack Will Only Grow Louder

    Phoronix: ARM: This Open-Source Stack Will Only Grow Louder

    Luc Verhaegen has warned ARM that his Lima graphics driver project will only "grow louder and louder" as its performance becomes more competitive with their closed-source Mali graphics driver and eventually may reach (or surpass) feature parity...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMwMDI

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    Default I Betcha

    I betcha the ARM folks couldn't open up that driver, even if they wanted to. I betcha they paid someone else to write it, and part of the contract was that the code would forever remain closed. There's a consultant lying on a beach somewhere, enjoying the sun and enjoying the fact that their code can never be used to help anyone else. I know consultants like this, they would give up their own children for adoption before they would allow their code to be open-sourced.

    I betcha Nvidia and AMD both have the same problem with their drivers, too.

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    Huh? AMD actively supports the development of the open source radeon driver. And Nvidia at least does not fight nouveau. Opening up the proprietary drivers was not suggested by any sane person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varikonniemi View Post
    If any of these multibillion dollar corporations had ANY REAL interest in Linux, we would have OGL 4.3 compatible open drivers on the market the same day the spec was finalized.
    Um, no? Just the interest in Linux on the desktop is very low, which is why we are not seeing many resources thrown at it. But I do think that companies are already receiving the punishment. For example, what is keeping AMD out of Chromebooks (apart from Google being special friends with Intel)? From what I can tell, only the lack of video decode acceleration and proper power management in the open source radeon driver.

    Quote Originally Posted by varikonniemi View Post
    This is the REAL reason why open source is seen as a threat, and why no company ever has really put effort into that sector, maybe excluding google.
    More than 10 years ago, IBM invested $1 billion in Linux http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-249750.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by chithanh View Post
    More than 10 years ago, IBM invested $1 billion in Linux http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-249750.html
    You are correct, at the time 1 Billion was surely seen as an reasonably large investment. I am sure it has paid out well for them when you compare the Linux then to Linux now. I should not have forgot them.

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    Now if only those rumors that Samsung is switching to PowerVR (at least for one chip) wouldn't be true. That would be quite disappointing, and it would make Mali graphics a lot less popular, while ensuring a monopoly for Imagination's GPU's in the mobile market.

    If ARM does this, and embraces the open source driver, that would actually get people to ask Samsung and other manufacturers to start using Mali graphics. At this point ARM can NOT AFFORD not to do this, and it makes business sense for them to do it.

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    I didn't understand the point of verhagen's quote until the last statement. But, if he's so sure that he can outperform the closed source drivers, why does he care to join? For a paycheck (which is fine I'm not against the guy being paid)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chithanh View Post
    Huh? AMD actively supports the development of the open source radeon driver. And Nvidia at least does not fight nouveau. Opening up the proprietary drivers was not suggested by any sane person.
    As many of the components of AMD's and nVidia's GPUs are from 3rd parties and that the programming specs for these components are most likely under an NDA thus making it harder for the proprietary drivers to be opened. AMD has done a decent job considering the time spent sanitizing documentation of 3rd party IP as well as reviewing code.

    Lima may well be considered the "Nouveau" of the opensource stack...and hopefully soon it (and Nouveau) reaches or exceeds parity with the closed driver

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    Default Anticipation

    I can hardly wait till this driver reaches the point where I can boot my set top box into Linux (instead of Android) and actually have decent video acceleration. Not that I will forsake Android altogether (I like my Android Netflix, YouTube, DailyMotion, Vimeo, and other video streaming apps on my TV), but I would really like to have all the options of ARM Gnu/Linux as well.

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    A bit off topic, but still similar to op....

    Yeah I have gentoo installed and booted on my evo4g right now and the one big thing missing is graphics. If this chip does get decent drivers I'll be damn sure that my next phone has it.

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