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Thread: Fedora Proposal To Use Cinnamon Desktop By Default

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    No, I don't think that they should not change, they should. But it has always been their stated goal to be THE desktop for everyone (after killing KDE). They did a lot of politics to get into that position. This would be a very large departure from this plan.
    Well, I think Gnome-Shell is just as much the desktop for everyone as gnome 2 ever was. If anything it is probably better for the masses since I think GNOME3 is probably the Linux desktop I have used that has required no tweaking at all to work or look good. This, as much else, is a matter of taste, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    What is more telling is that other major distributions have moved away from it. Ubuntu and Mint, for example, and non-GNOME distros like Mageia and OpenSUSE are also gaining. Fedora is the only major distro where you get GS by default.
    Mageia equally supports KDE as well as GNOME.

    Note: Biased answer as I'm a Mageia packager focussed on GNOME

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    Quote Originally Posted by kigurai View Post
    Well, I think Gnome-Shell is just as much the desktop for everyone as gnome 2 ever was. If anything it is probably better for the masses since I think GNOME3 is probably the Linux desktop I have used that has required no tweaking at all to work or look good. This, as much else, is a matter of taste, of course.
    If you were right, surely far less people would be complaining and flocking to other desktops?
    Change for changes sake is a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkor View Post
    Mageia equally supports KDE as well as GNOME.

    Note: Biased answer as I'm a Mageia packager focussed on GNOME
    That was poor wording on my part.

    I meant to say that KDE is the default desktop of Mageia, which might be why it is gaining ground. I didn't mean to say that Mageia's support for GNOME is bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TemplarGR View Post
    If you don't understand what is a forum, do not participate in one... I am tired of all these politically-correct "if you don't like it don't use it but don't say your opinion" BS...
    Well, I hate it myself, only I don't think it's the case here. The case here is it has been almost 2 years since GS got released AND with very clear design goals and mockups AND you had the choice of different DE all this time and yet you choose to continue your anti-GS crusade.

    On top of that it's usually nothing but bashing, unsubstantiated. How many times have we seen "I need to click 5 times to launch an app!!!" (I don't know wtf you were clicking, dude) or "Heyyy, I hate that you have to swipe the lock screen up, forcing me to use my computer like a freaking tablet" (this one has his escape key teleported to a mine field) yada yada yada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucic View Post
    On top of that it's usually nothing but bashing, unsubstantiated. How many times have we seen "I need to click 5 times to launch an app!!!" (I don't know wtf you were clicking, dude) or "Heyyy, I hate that you have to swipe the lock screen up, forcing me to use my computer like a freaking tablet" (this one has his escape key teleported to a mine field) yada yada yada.
    It's not unsubstantiated. When criticisms of GS come up, its supporters like to compare apples to oranges. If we show that it takes extra clicks or movements of the mouse to start / switch apps, you're comeback will be it's actually faster because you can hit super and search it, or use alt + tab. Guess what, you could do that on gnome 2 also, especially with gnome-do. The original comparison stands though, taskbar vs. overview, start menu vs. overview/mode switch is at least an extra motion/click, and possibly more depending on what you are trying to do.
    Last edited by thalaric; 01-26-2013 at 06:58 PM.

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    Gnome-Shell did a wonderful thing: exposing the ego of whining users.
    Some of them are not interested to hear advice from from Gnome-Shell developers and users.
    Their own posts only display their selfishness and complete lack of analysis and logics.
    One things that cannot be tolerated: perpetrating FUDs and lies about Gnome-Shell to fit hidden agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finalzone View Post
    Gnome-Shell did a wonderful thing: exposing the ego of whining users.
    Some of them are not interested to hear advice from from Gnome-Shell developers and users.
    Their own posts only display their selfishness and complete lack of analysis and logics.
    One things that cannot be tolerated: perpetrating FUDs and lies about Gnome-Shell to fit hidden agenda.
    People arent perpetrating "FUD and lies" as you put it.
    These are valid criticisms being vocalised about concerned gnome users. Your attitude on the other hand appalls me.

    I am finding this increasingly militant and highly vocal minority of gnome users who support GS to be highly amusing.

    No one is asking to get rid of gnomeshell, its great for tablet users!
    Surely everyone would be happy if gnome3 much closer resembled gnome2 but with GS as an option at point of installation.
    Or as a "Tablet mode" option in System > Preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickback999 View Post
    People arent perpetrating "FUD and lies" as you put it.
    These are valid criticisms being vocalised about concerned gnome users. Your attitude on the other hand appalls me.
    Your answer was actually anticipated which means you feel targeted because you feel exposed. The fact you need to reply faster without thinking and wonder why posts like yours are ignored by not only gnome developers but also other developers ready this message speaks itself. Next time, ask yourself the reasoning behind my post.

    I am finding this increasingly militant and highly vocal minority of gnome users who support GS to be highly amusing.
    Show a clear analysis and methodology to support your claim that gnome users who support Gnome Shell are minority.

    No one is asking to get rid of gnomeshell, its great for tablet users!
    Surely everyone would be happy if gnome3 much closer resembled gnome2 but with GS as an option at point of installation.
    Or as a "Tablet mode" option in System > Preferences.
    Who is that everybody wanting gnome3 to look like gnome2? For that sentence, it looks like that "everybody" want to freeze in time forgetting the world is constantly changing. Gnome Classic (as seen on Clarsen's blog) is nothing more than an extended Gnome Shell

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    Quote Originally Posted by thalaric View Post
    Now the interface isn't optimized for either mobile or a workstation.
    On the contrary - I find it very well optimised for workstation use. You might disagree, but I've been using Shell as my interface of choice pretty much since Fedora 15 came out, and for me, it *is* a very productive working environment - much more so than the older Gnome 2 interface I'm sometimes required to use.

    So in what way do you think it's suboptimal for workstation use? I gather it has some issues around multi-head setups (which I don't use), but in all other respects I find it ideal on a big-screen desktop. You keep harping on about full-screen design, but I'm sitting here, routinely running a couple of windows per workspace - in particular, I get good value out of the basic tiling support, putting a terminal alongside an editor. You talk about the mode change stuff, but that's only relevant when starting a new app, and in practice I barely notice it's existence - I'm using the keyboard for everything, so if the screen flickers a little as it auto-completes the program I'm running, I typically don't see it.

    And this is what I don't understand with you calling it a mobile interface. I use both Shell and Android day to day, and they have *nothing* in common. Android *is* all the things you're talking about - full-screen applications, slow switching between them, touch oriented. Shell isn't.

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