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    Default 10 Year Old KDE Bug Finally Gets Fixed

    Phoronix: 10 Year Old KDE Bug Finally Gets Fixed

    A bug that has been present in the KDE Libraries for the past decade has finally been fixed...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI3ODk

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    Fine, now on to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183458 from 2009.

    There are several duplicates of this bug and for several of the more recent ones don't seem to remember this. This seems to be a very relevant unresolved bug from 2003 in kde3: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56871

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    The 10 year old bug isn't very bad since apparently it went unnoticed for 10 years

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    Really cool, they fixed a bug that probably nobody noticed for 10 years, while there are billions of tickets in the bugtracker, lot of them confirmed and untouched for years. They can keep going releasing "Major" 4.x releases whose biggest feature is "fixing bugs" and "Minor" 4.x.y releases with lot of changes breaking things even more.
    Come on KDE, do some %$%!!#% QA, show that you care at least a little bit for your users. I'd love to go back to KDE...

    Did you notice why Thiago fixed this bug ? Not because it was breaking 10k people or was voted the most in bugzilla, but because HE was hit by the bug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orzel View Post
    Did you notice why Thiago fixed this bug ? Not because it was breaking 10k people or was voted the most in bugzilla, but because HE was hit by the bug.
    It seems to me that you're not a hobbyist open source developer. Rather you seem like an entitled user that thinks that 'the community' exists to satisfy them. Stop and think for any piece of software you regularly use "if I was a developer on this project, which bugs would I fix?" Ignoring that some problems can be fixed in a couple hours, and some require extended periods of time and focus, I'm fairly confident that most of the bugs you would fix are ones you yourself or your friends/people you talk to encounter. Luckily there is probably a large overlap between bugs that affect you, and bugs that affect other users, but sometimes there isn't, and nagging is not motivating.

    The other aspect of complexity is also important. If a user nags me I might spend a couple hours getting to the bottom of a problem and fixing it, but I probably won't ignore my family for a few weeks to do so unless those users are paying my salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCycoONE View Post
    It seems to me that you're not a hobbyist open source developer.
    I guess this can always be debatable ("what you do is crap"), but I actually do consider myself an OS dev. I was even once very close to KDE (I only commited few patches that I'm not especially proud of so i wont say 'contributing').

    But I do work on several other projects, and I do consider that I kinda "owe" something to my users. Throwing some (ugly, untested) code on git is not what i consider "being an OS dev". It's just this.. throwing code. As an OS dev, i do consider that I should either listen to users, especially when they are dev carefully reporting bugs. Or if I can't I should say it clearly and publicly.

    I've stopped reporting bugs to kde after years of totally unsuccessful reporting to bugs.kde.org. All what i've seen was bugs pilling up on the bugzilla, a very lot of old duplicate, and most importantly, developers basically denying the bug or arguing as you do ("this is opensource, so you dont have to cry"). Fortunately this was not often, but this oh-so... you know... not what i'm used to as a dev.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orzel View Post
    Really cool, they fixed a bug that probably nobody noticed for 10 years, while there are billions of tickets in the bugtracker, lot of them confirmed and untouched for years. They can keep going releasing "Major" 4.x releases whose biggest feature is "fixing bugs" and "Minor" 4.x.y releases with lot of changes breaking things even more.
    Come on KDE, do some %$%!!#% QA, show that you care at least a little bit for your users. I'd love to go back to KDE...

    Did you notice why Thiago fixed this bug ? Not because it was breaking 10k people or was voted the most in bugzilla, but because HE was hit by the bug.
    Welcome to open source, man, community doesnt OWE you shit. You scratch your own itches. Thiago fixed this bug because it was an impediment to an itch he wanted to scratch. If your own itch happens to be seeing the most voted bugs on bugzilla finally fixed..then maybe you should roll up your sleeves and start helping. Otherwise sit down, shutup, and just be thankful for what you do already have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericg View Post
    Welcome to open source, man, community doesnt OWE you shit. You scratch your own itches. Thiago fixed this bug because it was an impediment to an itch he wanted to scratch. If your own itch happens to be seeing the most voted bugs on bugzilla finally fixed..then maybe you should roll up your sleeves and start helping. Otherwise sit down, shutup, and just be thankful for what you do already have.


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    Some of us aren't coders. Some of us just want to use this stuff, and forgive me, but I don't see your attitude helping. I may not have submitted patches for software I've used, but I have reported bugs and tested patches that attempted to fix them.
    Speaking of things I'm thankful for, there are projects I use where bugs are fairly efficiently identified and fixed, and where the community is a little more helpful than that. If you want to hang on to users who are just that, "users", then some people might have to adjust their attitudes a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orzel View Post
    Come on KDE, do some %$%!!#% QA, show that you care at least a little bit for your users.
    In case of community software even QA has to be done by the community.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redshirt001 View Post
    Some of us aren't coders. Some of us just want to use this stuff, and forgive me, but I don't see your attitude helping. I may not have submitted patches for software I've used, but I have reported bugs and tested patches that attempted to fix them.
    No matter how many bug reports you filed or how many patches you tested, you are still not entitled to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asdx View Post
    How about if the taskbar gets some love too? It's been broken for a long time.

    https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224447
    Now youre just trolling man, you bring up that same bug report everytime the topicof KDE's stability is questioned. And the answer is ALWAYS the same: that bug is WONTFIX because as of KDE 4.10-- currently in beta, the taskbar is being rewritten in QML so its very likely that bug will go away, and even if it doesnt then the issue will be very different so itll need a new bug report anyway.

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