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Thread: What Linux Users Are Saying About GNOME In 2012 (Part 1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rafirafi View Post
    And don't told me they just listen their users, I remember reading on their mailing list that they can't listen because the only users speaking are thoses which are not happy and it's not something relevant.

    And if the users aren't happy you are doing something wrong. It doesn't matter that they aren't selling anything, they had a working product and decided to scrap it for something that most of their users don't like.

    See what happens whenever the CEO of Netflix opens his yap for reasons this is a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kigurai View Post
    This is not arrogance or an insult. Users are not stupid. It is just pointing out that you might not now what you really want if you haven't seen it yet.
    You still assume too much...

    Oh, but we have seen it already, if I had liked it I would have probably liked Android, iOS or Metro, or what KDE have been working on. I didn't like any of those, I've only ever liked Gnome2 since KDE3 died. It used to be I liked Apple's OS X UI as well as KDE3 and Gnome2. None of the "modern" UIs appeal to me in any way. I don't even use a composited desktop as it adds no real usefulness over multiple desktops for me.

    So currently I have only 1 DE with a small dev team that may or may not be able to keep the project in a state that is usable in the years to come. otherwise I have nothing I like.

    I've used everything but WebOS, and most of what I see out there is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kivada View Post
    You still assume too much...
    Just relaying what seems to be the consensus of the software engineering world.

    Oh, but we have seen it already, if I had liked it I would have probably liked Android, iOS or Metro, or what KDE have been working on. I didn't like any of those, I've only ever liked Gnome2 since KDE3 died. It used to be I liked Apple's OS X UI as well as KDE3 and Gnome2. None of the "modern" UIs appeal to me in any way. I don't even use a composited desktop as it adds no real usefulness over multiple desktops for me.
    And you are entitled to your opinion. If you asked users in general if they want to go back to a non-composited desktop I am quite sure you would get another opinion though.

    So currently I have only 1 DE with a small dev team that may or may not be able to keep the project in a state that is usable in the years to come. otherwise I have nothing I like.
    I've used everything but WebOS, and most of what I see out there is crap.
    Seems like you have a problem then, which is unfortunate. Still not sure how bitching about GNOME3 will help you in any way. What you are doing is throwing gasoline on a fire of bad attitude which I hope you can agree solves nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kivada View Post
    And if the users aren't happy you are doing something wrong. It doesn't matter that they aren't selling anything, they had a working product and decided to scrap it for something that most of their users don't like.
    I have yet to see someone provide numbers that the GNOME user base is decreasing. I would be very surprised to find that this is the case. Maybe unity (which I suppose can be considered not-GNOME) "stole" some users, but apart from the ranting on Phoronix people I meet seem generally pleased of GNOME3 after the initial "WTF? Stuff is different!"-phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kigurai View Post
    I have yet to see someone provide numbers that the GNOME user base is decreasing. I would be very surprised to find that this is the case. Maybe unity (which I suppose can be considered not-GNOME) "stole" some users, but apart from the ranting on Phoronix people I meet seem generally pleased of GNOME3 after the initial "WTF? Stuff is different!"-phase.
    I don't like gnome-shell. ~ so here is one user... That being said, i do like (most) of the gnome3-stack, so technically, i am a happy gnome-user, but the upstream UX - GS just blows in comparison to the alternatives, imo ~ So i am a happy gnome-user but that is only because i can pick what shell to use and am not stuck with GS' crappy UX ...

    and fyi, Unity didn't 'steal' users - Gnome was unable to convince Ubuntu that GS was worthwhile (ie: they gave their users away). They obviously weren't able to convince any of the linuxMint people either, nor a bunch of random people who had used gnome (for years and years), who now have either A). moved away from gnome; ie: kde, xfce, etc or B). have ditched Gnome-Shell for Cinnamon, pantheon, Unity, compiz, etc.

    Gnome (actauclly technically Gnome-Shell's) potential userbase certainly scattered, and i highly doubt it has recovered to where it was before Gnome3 was released... ~ and you do not need any numbers to prove that (it's called use common sense). Once upon a time Gnome(2) was the default DE on the most popular distribution(s) (Ubuntu/Mint), now Unity is 4 Ubuntu (yes, some people will swap in GS, but not all or even likely most). LinuxMint forked Gnome-shell and created Cinnamon (ie: their userbase is mostly using cinnamon, with a fraction using Gnome-Shell aka: 'the upstream gnome experience'). Right there, you have a lot of users whom aren't using GS... Aside from that, lots of people have switched to other environments, that were likely gnome-users, just a couple of years ago(yes, some probably switched back but some did not).

    I think you are silly to not see this on your own and instead want numbers (you don't need them, dude!).

    that being said: is gnome's <current> userbase declining? -> who knows, but i tend to think probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kigurai View Post
    I have yet to see someone provide numbers that the GNOME user base is decreasing. I would be very surprised to find that this is the case. Maybe unity (which I suppose can be considered not-GNOME) "stole" some users, but apart from the ranting on Phoronix people I meet seem generally pleased of GNOME3 after the initial "WTF? Stuff is different!"-phase.
    It seems you have missed the party. Gnome lost many of its users when gnome shell came out. Every poll I saw confirms my observations and there are statistics at archlinux page that I follow and they also confirm this. But hey, we're perfect (and have lost self-preservation instinct), why bother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kigurai View Post
    Just relaying what seems to be the consensus of the software engineering world.
    Wrong, it's a grand experiment, that is failing miserably. The only reason we are going to be stuck with this new design is because the behemoth that is Windows is force feeding it to the world who will have no choice but to to accept it.

    That the Gnome devs are following this trend is utterly moronic.

    As the others have said, the Gnome user base has shattered considerably, I switched to Mint 13 from Ubuntu 11.10 running Gnome Fallback, XFCE, KDE4, LXDE and Unity because of having a real Gnome2 implementation in having a Mate only version, before that I saw no reason to ever use Mint but now it's all I use and all I recommend.

    And as I've had to ask too many times already... Is everyone supposed to be an expert in every programming language just to use a computer? If so please go get a belt sander and some 40 grit paper and use it to wipe your ass.

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    I actually like Gnome-Shell. I got used to it after 3.0 was released. It took a few weeks to change my work-flow, but I've been a Gnome user since 1.0. Having said that, the 3.6 release was the one that made me try KDE.. (I did come back to Gnome, but am seriously considering Cinnamon now).

    All the Gnome-shell releases up to 3.4 were pretty nice in my opinion, with extensions taking over much of the perceived missing functionality; however, with 3.6, I coudln't figure out how to minimize Nautilus. It just sat there taking up the full screen. After searching, I learned that the minimize button was removed from nautilus. How stupid is that? Also, the sorting method was changed with no easy way of going back to the default sorting that I've been used to since Gnome 1.0. Several other features were either pulled or dumbed down in Nautilus. Since I use the Filemanager on a daily basis, I thought, no problem, I'll switch to a more advanced FM; however, thats not 100% possible, because Nautilus also draw the desktop, so clicking on any files on the desktop automatically launch Nautilus and not my new Filemanager.

    Not to mention the stupid lock screen, where you are supposed to slide it up with a mouse to unlock. That might work in Android, or on my tablet where I've got a touch interface, but this is a desktop OS, and why the hell would I want to use a touch paradigm with a mouse?

    If 3.6 didn't dumb down nautilus to the point of unusability, didn't add the retarded slide lock, and didn't add the big, ugly and non-transluscent action bar at the bottom of the screen, then I'd probably still like Gnome-Shell. Unfortunately, I'm running Arch Linux and have already upgraded to 3.6 and cannot go back to 3.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by gururise View Post
    ....Several other features were either pulled or dumbed down in Nautilus. Since I use the Filemanager on a daily basis, I thought, no problem, I'll switch to a more advanced FM; however, thats not 100% possible, because Nautilus also draw the desktop, so clicking on any files on the desktop automatically launch Nautilus and not my new Filemanager.
    If 3.6 didn't dumb down nautilus to the point of unusability, didn't add the retarded slide lock, and didn't add the big, ugly and non-transluscent action bar at the bottom of the screen, then I'd probably still like Gnome-Shell. Unfortunately, I'm running Arch Linux and have already upgraded to 3.6 and cannot go back to 3.4[/QUOTE]

    You don't have to downgrade nautilus, their is a file manage called 'nemo' that is a fork of nautilus 3.4 (available in aur, forked by linux mint) ... I was going to switch, but i got used to the new version. The only thing that is annoying is that the search function is as quick when doing searches in concession. everything seems to be okay, other than i kinda with it still had the regular toolbar...

    and fyi (i don't know off-hand) but you can substitute the file-manager in Gnome (ie: have dolphin, marlin, etc open files). I think it is a setting somewhere in dconf-editor.

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    You don't have to downgrade nautilus, their is a file manage called 'nemo' that is a fork of nautilus 3.4 (available in aur, forked by linux mint) ... I was going to switch, but i got used to the new version.
    LOL. I highly doubt your story differs from the majority. It is so easy to fork, rant and hate in an unjust manner. When it comes to easy desktop file maanagement Nautilus 3.6 is so much more pleasant in day to day use.

    Best part; It is entirely possible to USE Nautilus 3.6 and PRETEND you hate it on the forums. Of course the hate is dying rather quickly by now. The "fork batshit bataillion" is going nowhere and Ubuntu moved on.

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