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    how stuff looks isnt nearly as important as how well it works and compositing desktop effects serve no purpose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    lxde is the only decent DE left in linux for pros.
    Okay, let us take your opinion here as a rule. So you are saying the simpler a DE, the better it is for pros? Why do you not just take the next step and use Openbox or Fluxbox then?

    Do not get me wrong, I like LXDE and use it on many of our older machines, but that old slogan is beginning to grate on me. Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.

    You can not define a whole group of people based on your own biases.

    Plus, I do not see how Xfce can not rank in this regard either, considering your criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D0pamine View Post
    how stuff looks isnt nearly as important as how well it works and compositing desktop effects serve no purpose
    Compositing doesn't only change the way things looks, it also changes the way it feels.

    It makes it feel smooth, slick, polished, modern, responsive.
    It heightens the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.
    That's a bit unfair. It is perfectly possible to have a very minimalist desktop based on these two (well, at least on KDE), and that's what professional users tend to do.

    Turn off most effects and most unnecessary services, and they can be really snappy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    Compositing doesn't only change the way things looks, it also changes the way it feels.

    It makes it feel smooth, slick, polished, modern, responsive.
    It heightens the experience.
    Except when it doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
    That's a bit unfair. It is perfectly possible to have a very minimalist desktop based on these two (well, at least on KDE), and that's what professional users tend to do.

    Turn off most effects and most unnecessary services, and they can be really snappy.
    Yes, but you can not deny the purpose of those desktops is to be "modern" and to have a certain amount of fancy features. But my point was to tell people not to assume that all types of users would want to use a certain interface, which I think is actually in line with what you were saying in basics.

    Still, I do not really see the point in cutting down KDE by turning off the desktop effects, widgets, and the like just to end up with what is in basics Xfce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    Still, I do not really see the point in cutting down KDE by turning off the desktop effects, widgets, and the like just to end up with what is in basics Xfce.
    I don't cut it that much. I have a minimalistic panel on the left with a taskbar and some quick-launch buttons, a few useful widgets, and a few useful GL effects, that's it. Since I use many KDE applications, it would make no sense at all to run Xfce as my desktop, since I have all the libs loaded anyway, and KDE certainly not a worse desktop than Xfce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    Okay, let us take your opinion here as a rule. So you are saying the simpler a DE, the better it is for pros? Why do you not just take the next step and use Openbox or Fluxbox then?

    Do not get me wrong, I like LXDE and use it on many of our older machines, but that old slogan is beginning to grate on me. Sometimes professional users want features in their DE. Sometimes they even want a full bling desktop like KDE or Gnome 3.

    You can not define a whole group of people based on your own biases.

    Plus, I do not see how Xfce can not rank in this regard either, considering your criteria.

    you want a rotating cube? woobly windows? genie effect minimize? fire windows and breaking them into cubes? well guess what you can have that in LXDE and it will be 3x faster than kde/gnome


    but why would ANYONE over 12 years old want that??

    lxde is pretty much openbox with some stuff added.


    I jumped into linux a few months ago and I was fascinated with gnome 3, I loved the big ass colorful icons the 'activities' click etc etc... I loved it when I saw it a friends house, when I installed fedora with gnome and actually started using it I found it to be an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE

    gnome 3 has no place in a laptop or desktop, and the tablets that it was supposedely designed for DON'T EXIST.

    In firefox I would say the TOP 25% of your screen is occupied by a fat firefox tab and the gnome taskbar. WHAT FAIL IS THIS?

    But I guess I'm the only one who likes to minimize and switch between windows in an instant and see what windows I have open without having to click this and that.

    Let me tell you how BADLY gnome people fucked up:

    this is me after a few minutes of using a DE that is simple, intuitive, clean and good lookin

    http://youtu.be/2uh2JxGyJXU


    y'know the kicker? it is based on gnome 3 but they were able to remove all cancer from it.


    KDE is just a pile of vomit of icons text menus and fail

    Pros know that a DE should never come between them and their programs and should never CAUSE A PERFOMANCE HIT on their programs

    even a lobotimized lesbian chicken could tell you that unity and gnome cause such a perfomance hit.


    THIS IS WHAT A LAPTOP/DESKTOP DE SHOULD LOOK LIKE

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...untu_12.10.png

    stop trying to fuck things up

    no one is going to use your shit on ANY TABLET OR SMARTPHONE GTF OVER IT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    ...A dull rant...
    Ok, so here's a crazy thought that people on this forum might struggle to get - but I'm going to put it out there:

    Maybe, just maybe people like their chosen DE - because they like it! The priorities they want to see in their chosen DE may not be yours. I use Gnome 3 every day for programming, playing games on Steam, browsing the net, etc. Some 'normal' stuff, and some technical niche stuff - and I know it's best DE I have ever tried. I know LXDE, XFCE, that Lubuntu screenie you posted, are ugly and old-fashioned looking to me.

    I know you're struggling with this, but brace yourself for this one:

    That doesn't make me right and you wrong, or vice versa. Neither opinion is correct.

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    gnome3?

    so you are using ubuntu gnome remix and you downloaded the steam beta for it?

    and you are a programmer

    your post reeks of bullshit


    THE FACT IS KID:


    linux is not used by people who 'want to play steam games'

    linux is, or should be, supposed to be used by a specific type of user.


    Do you think rhel will ever EVER even touch gnome 3? fuck no

    What is that they use now gnome 2?

    you see what gnome people did? they just fucked up a clear technological upgrade path

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    gnome3?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    so you are using ubuntu gnome remix...
    No, I'm using Gnome 3 on openSUSE. I appreciate that this a Ubuntu thread, but your post was ranting about Gnome 3 in places so I picked up that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    ...and you downloaded the steam beta for it?
    No, I'm running the current stable version through WINE. I signed up for the Linux beta, but I guess a million others did too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    and you are a programmer
    Yes, have been professional for years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    your post reeks of bullshit
    How so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    THE FACT IS KID:
    I'm 27.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    linux is not used by people who 'want to play steam games'
    Wow. That's quite a statement. Immediately disproved by myself, and not to mention that the most exciting thing that's happened to the Linux community for years is the news that Valve are building a native Linux Steam client.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    linux is, or should be, supposed to be used by a specific type of user.
    And what kind of stereotypical person would that be? Someone with no friends, who spends all day and night in their dark bedroom (in their parent's house) alternating between fruitless forum flame wars and porn? Surely the whole point of the kernel is that it can be used to build any distro you care to make, so Linux can be available to everyone and all tastes?


    Quote Originally Posted by Pallidus View Post
    Do you think rhel will ever EVER even touch gnome 3? fuck no

    What is that they use now gnome 2?

    you see what gnome people did? they just fucked up a clear technological upgrade path
    If RHEL users vote to not use Gnome 3 due to way they use the distro, then good for them - but that doesn't make Gnome 3 bad for everyone else.

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