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    Default Linus, thank you

    Thank you!

    (I know, it's only a start. The Wright Brothers did not fly on a rocket, you know. They flew at like 1 MPH. Gotta start somewhere.)

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    They are only doing this for free community work, they KNOW everyone wants the Desktop GPU docs, this is just teasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonzest View Post
    They are only doing this for free community work
    I'm ok with that.

    It makes sense that after a certain period of time, ________________________ corporation will stop supporting their products. That's entirely natural. If I had my own company, I wouldn't perpetually support it either. Be it 2 years, 5 years, 10 years, at some point it has to end.

    By having the documents, we can support it ourselves and provide our own support. Yes, __________________ corporation makes the product and sells it to us, and for a period of years they provide the primary support. But after that we don't have to be locked into them. We are empowered. We can keep going.

    We don't have to buy another product just because they say we have to. The product we own right now works perfectly fine, and I intend to keep using it. Let's put it into numbers. Let's say that _________________________ corporation provides 4 years in-house support. The community might then support it for the next 4 years.

    8 years of support for a product I invest in? Sign me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
    The community might then support it for the next 4 years.
    community support isn't good. you are left up to a dev to decide what he wants to work on, and when you complain you get told to do it yourself. You have a bunch of people that want to work on features, but no one wants to work on the boring bugs.

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    Community support is better than no support.

    Besides, it depends on how you define community. See:

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTA3ODc
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTAyMzU

    In both instances I'm referring to R200. For anybody who may not know, this is 10+ year old hardware - debut 2001. (and see the discussions too, people still use these)

    Community doesn't exclusively mean individuals anymore. If a 3rd party corporation sees a need to fix said bugs, they will be fixed. But this can only happen if the docs are released.

    I am more than happy with 10 years of support. In fact, I encourage it!(for popular hardware, anyways. Which these were indeed popular) I can't tell you how happy it makes me to see guys like Marek running around here.

    If I ran my own company like this, I probably wouldn't release docs for my newest generation, maybe the newest two. But in the context of nVidia there really isn't any reason for them to keep the docs for 3-5 year hardware under lock and key anymore. I'd bet AMD has something more advanced than GeForce 7s/8s. At this point, they're only pissing off their customers who are more than willing to provide their own support. It's bad customer support to not release the docs.

    Nouveau is a testament to the fact that a) Linus was right with his FU nVidia and b) We are going to support ourselves anyways. They might as well just release the docs, and it appears that that message is sinking in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    Sorry, that was obviously wrong.
    I messed it up while editing that line. :/
    I wanted to express my disappointment about the docs covering
    Tegra only and only a rather tiny fraction of the chip capabilities.

    I agree it is a good thing, in terms of "not a bad thing",
    but it really doesn't sound too promising to me.
    Why don't they release more complete docs?
    And why do they refuse to do the same for the desktop asics?
    It's possible they cannot release docs for their desktop card ASICS due to 3rd party IP restrictions. If they can bring the design work inhouse and use as little 3rd party IP as possible then they could be able to open up documentation for the 3d
    parts.

    I concur with the poster above that nVidia should release documentation for their older cards that are at end of life so that we as a community can support ourselves by having an open driver so we can continue to use these cards
    Last edited by DeepDayze; 09-21-2012 at 08:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepDayze View Post
    It's possible they cannot release docs for their desktop card ASICS due to 3rd party IP restrictions. If they can bring the design work inhouse and use as little 3rd party IP as possible then they could be able to open up documentation for the 3d
    parts.
    They've made noises about integrating ARM on the desktop side too, which makes me wonder whether they might move the low-level stuff into an embedded firmware blob and document a higher-level host interface. Of course, the cynical side of me says that they'd then wrap that firmware in encryption/DRM and sell feature unlock codes a la carte (SLI? $25. Overclocking? $50. Autodesk-certified mode? $500. Full double precision compute performance? $1500.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepDayze View Post
    I concur with the poster above that nVidia should release documentation for their older cards that are at end of life so that we as a community can support ourselves by having an open driver so we can continue to use these cards
    especially the firmware technology from their Quadro series, since hopefully that would still work for todays cards

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    Quote Originally Posted by boast View Post
    especially the firmware technology from their Quadro series, since hopefully that would still work for todays cards
    Maybe a utility to do the firmware dumps for just about any nvidia card would be great to have so that we can use the firmware with nouveau, and if nvidia can provide some documentation about the entry points and such do the nouveau devs can implement features

    Quote Originally Posted by Ex-Cyber View Post
    They've made noises about integrating ARM on the desktop side too, which makes me wonder whether they might move the low-level stuff into an embedded firmware blob and document a higher-level host interface. Of course, the cynical side of me says that they'd then wrap that firmware in encryption/DRM and sell feature unlock codes a la carte (SLI? $25. Overclocking? $50. Autodesk-certified mode? $500. Full double precision compute performance? $1500.).
    lol wouldn't be surprised at that

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    I was like "WOW desktop cards" but then i realized it was for tegra.

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