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    Default Kickstarter is the new scam place?

    Proprietary commercial developers who probably already have money and funding come to Kickstarter to beg for money so that they can develop commercial proprietary software which they then sell and make money from.

    Many of them probably never develop any product at all.

    If you want put money into something, then donate to free, open source software who have shown that they actually have developed something and who have shown the code.
    * http://www.gimp.org/donating/
    * http://www.kde.org/community/donations/
    * https://my.fsf.org/donate
    * https://donate.mozilla.org/
    * http://www.gnome.org/friends/

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    Scam? In the case of Kickstarting a game, it's just pre-ordering a game.

    But Kickstarter is much more than just games. It might be easy for some linux users to discount Kickstarter - the type of user who hold Stallman to a high ideal perhaps, and agree that the Valve news is bad news.

    I'm not one of them. I'm being selfish with this - more games: means more Ubuntu users : means more clout with external vendors for support. WIFI drivers, graphics drivers, universal remote control drivers, corporate software - they all depend on those guys believing there's a market out there.

    Until recently, there wasn't one. Kickstarter and Humble Bundles proved otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    Proprietary commercial developers who probably already have money and funding come to Kickstarter to beg for money so that they can develop commercial proprietary software which they then sell and make money from.

    Many of them probably never develop any product at all.

    If you want put money into something, then donate to free, open source software who have shown that they actually have developed something and who have shown the code.
    * http://www.gimp.org/donating/
    * http://www.kde.org/community/donations/
    * https://my.fsf.org/donate
    * https://donate.mozilla.org/
    * http://www.gnome.org/friends/
    I love those projects and have donated to them in the past. However, you can't ram an asteroid into them for kicks.

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    I'm not really a gamer but willing to donate for a good cause. It'll be good for Linux gaming if some great new games come from this project from top game developers and there are willing and ready buyers and donors out there ready to kickstart this (pun). Kickstarter should also be good for non-game applications too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildfire View Post
    In what sense does a virtual store require "logistics"? Do you mean something like regional server capacity? I'm sure the reason they do this has more to do with local laws rather than anything else. And, as curaga said, if a non-US citizen cannot profit from Kickstarter (start a campaign), why should they in return profit (earn money) from non-US citizens?
    Theoretically Kickstarter should be able to add a payment system that will work in other countries not just the USA so that citizens of other countries can purchase games or donate funds. Paypal works worldwide (with exceptions for certain countries) though

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    Do you work for Kickstarter?
    Nopers. Nor do I work for any company, organization, or individual involved with Uber or Planetary Annihilation.

    Uber is located here in eastside Seattle (Kirkland, to be precise, along with Monolith, Bungie, Griptonite, etc.) which is next to Redmond (Nintendo of America, Sega, Gas Powered, Microsoft Game Studios, etc.) and Bellevue (Valve, ArenaNet, 343, etc.) and Bothell (Snowblind, Signal Studios, etc.) and 15 minutes away from Seattle (Zombie, NCSoft, Runic, Popcap, Z2Live and *shudder* Zynga, etc... lots of Z's in Seattle I just realized) and suffice to say this small industry clustered in this small region of the US does tend to result in a lot of us all meeting each other sooner or later, and so yes I do have personal relationships with people at Uber.

    I am also biased towards PA since you can freaking hurl moons at opposing armies.

    Quote Originally Posted by wildfire
    In what sense does a virtual store require "logistics"? Do you mean something like regional server capacity? I'm sure the reason they do this has more to do with local laws rather than anything else.
    This is just an educated guess, but taxes and upholding region-specific laws is one big possible reason. It's a pain in the freaking ass to deal with, and they could get royally screwed if they mess up at all. Especially for something like Kickstarter, which I believe (could be wrong) is taking donations on behalf of others rather than directly selling a product, and hence have a lot more crazy regulations and such to deal with.

    Quote Originally Posted by uid313
    Is that a video rendered from in-game scripting using the built-in engine renderer featuring actually real footage, or its a promotional video made without the game? What do they need money for?
    They seem to have made big progress so far without...
    The video is a "gameplay visualization" (promotional video without the game) as the disclaimer at the very beginning tells you.

    They need money because games are very, very expensive and time consuming to create. Uber is a small company without oodles of cash reserves laying around, and while they're still supporting and making money off of SMNC, it's not enough to fund an entire new game. They are trying to publish this one without involving a big publisher. They want to go DRM free, offer Linux support, etc. If they had used a publisher to fund development, they certainly would not have those options.

    By getting funding from the fans so that they can independently publish the game, they have the freedom to develop the game, release it under very unrestrictive terms for a lot of OSes, and retain rights to keep the game series alive and fan-driven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepDayze View Post
    Theoretically Kickstarter should be able to add a payment system that will work in other countries not just the USA so that citizens of other countries can purchase games or donate funds. Paypal works worldwide (with exceptions for certain countries) though
    Being able to donate funds is not the point. That is already possible with Amazon Payments (see here: http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/amaz...ts-and-us-only). The point is being able to start campaigns to receive funding. As long as non-US citizens cannot do this, the whole system seems a bit unfair. We're allowed to give, but only a priviledged few are allowed to receive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiryu View Post
    I've never played TA, but I love Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance which is apparently somewhat of a spiritual sequel to TA. If that's even slightly true, I'll be putting my money into this kickstarter.

    On a semi related note: I'm soooo sick of all the FPS games in Linux... I'm far more of an RTS man. There are some FPS's I like a lot, and fortunately L4D2 is one of them.
    What do you think about Supreme commander 2? I love supcom FA and still play it every week but I despise supcom 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildfire View Post
    Being able to donate funds is not the point. That is already possible with Amazon Payments (see here: http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/amaz...ts-and-us-only). The point is being able to start campaigns to receive funding. As long as non-US citizens cannot do this, the whole system seems a bit unfair. We're allowed to give, but only a priviledged few are allowed to receive.
    There are ways around it..

    Three Gates is a Swedish game company, based in Visby on the small island Gotland, and they successfully created a kickstarter campaign by having their marketing officer who lives in the US set up the campaign.
    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ash-action-gam

    So all it takes is having one individual on the team that lives in the US.
    I know it's still not completely "fair", but atleast the possibility is there.

    Btw: I'm from Sweden myself, and I still think Kickstarter is great. If international alternatives arise, great, but that doesn't make Kickstarter any less great or important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elanthis View Post
    This is just an educated guess, but taxes and upholding region-specific laws is one big possible reason. It's a pain in the freaking ass to deal with, and they could get royally screwed if they mess up at all. Especially for something like Kickstarter, which I believe (could be wrong) is taking donations on behalf of others rather than directly selling a product, and hence have a lot more crazy regulations and such to deal with.
    The more I think about it, the more I think the reason lies somewhere else. As long as the company itself stays US only they shouldn't have to worry too much about other nation's laws (unlike Amazon, who have local subsidiaries everywhere). However, they would potentially be sending large sums of money to places outside the US. Which means they might end up funding the wrong kind of people. Oh hay, have you heard about my suicide squad Kickstarter?

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