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    Default Running Wayland: It Works, But A Lot Of Work Remains

    Phoronix: Running Wayland: It Works, But A Lot Of Work Remains

    Following the news shared today that Ubuntu's delayed their Wayland System Compositor adoption from Ubuntu 12.10 to at least Ubuntu 13.04 there was the more positive news that there's an updated third-party spin of an Ubuntu derivative running Wayland. This article has some more information on that new "RebeccaBlack OS" release along with screenshots that provide a glimpse of where the Wayland adoption is at today.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=17736

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    It's scary that one of the main Wayland experimenting distros put out there is a Rebecca Black themed OS ;_;

    Still it's interesting to see where it's at, nice overview Micheal.

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    Well call me Lucy, we're ready to pop! Slap a version number on that Bitch and send her to the masses! Reeeeaaady for prime time!

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    This is a bad time to push Wayland. Valve is trying to port games, and Windows 8 is going to alienate users (who won't have a stable OS to move to due to Wayland). Obviously Wayland won't be ready to replace X for quite some time. I see the advantages, but it needs to be an extremely smooth transition or it will cause more problems than it solves.

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    It doesn't seem like it's authors think that it's very ready as well, so that's good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R___ View Post
    This is a bad time to push Wayland. Valve is trying to port games, and Windows 8 is going to alienate users (who won't have a stable OS to move to due to Wayland). Obviously Wayland won't be ready to replace X for quite some time. I see the advantages, but it needs to be an extremely smooth transition or it will cause more problems than it solves.
    Keep in mind that this is just an early technology demo; this stuff isn't going to be forced down our throats just yet. And when it is, the end user (hopefully) won't notice any negative side effects. Remember that X applications run atop xwayland faster than on the native x-server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1kkko View Post
    Remember that X applications run atop xwayland faster than on the native x-server.
    how do you know? i mean, are there benchmarks somewhere public? because that sounds amazing, if that is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1kkko View Post
    Keep in mind that this is just an early technology demo; this stuff isn't going to be forced down our throats just yet. And when it is, the end user (hopefully) won't notice any negative side effects. Remember that X applications run atop xwayland faster than on the native x-server.
    If they run faster, that's good.

    I just hope that down the road they won't drop xWayland....that will a big no no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R___ View Post
    This is a bad time to push Wayland.
    No, it's the best time to push it. “Now” is always the best time to push software development because then software is ready earlier rather than later.

    Quote Originally Posted by R___ View Post
    Valve is trying to port games
    So? Do you really expect that any Valve game talks to X directly?

    Quote Originally Posted by R___ View Post
    and Windows 8 is going to alienate users (who won't have a stable OS to move to due to Wayland).
    And have you any grounds to base you claim on that Wayland will be unstable once it leaves tech preview stage? No user-level transition will happen until at least a year from now. Widespread adoption is at least two years away. And no, I don't have any magical powers to look into the future. There is no need to. Just look at the roadmaps of KDE and GNOME. Both release their software bundles every six months. KDE in summer (July/August) and winter (January/February). Its 4.9 was done just recently which means that there is no way on earth to even test waters before Plasma Workspaces 4.10. That means that the first somewhat Wayland-compatible release could be in summer 2013 and following the release cycle, the first fully Wayland-compatible release could be in Jan./Feb. 2014. For GNOME the release schedule is shifted by one or two months but the point is the same.
    And that's with everything being ported rapidly. If hickups occur, we could easily even see pushbacks to 2015.

    By that time Windows 9 will be out. So no, if Windows 8 would actually get people to leave for Linux (wishful thinking: Vista and Ribbon-laden MS Office didn't cause switches either), they'd find everything being based on X.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJSB View Post
    ...but the work of porting it is being done ? Is the goal of the port to be also 100% retro-compatible with SDL used in X ?
    Who needs 100%? All SDL 2.x releases should be mostly compatible but current games are based on SDL 1.x.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awesomeness View Post
    That means that the first somewhat Wayland-compatible release could be in summer 2013 and following the release cycle, the first fully Wayland-compatible release could be in Jan./Feb. 2014.
    It's good to note that Gnome 4 is probably going to released in early 2014. KDE Frameworks 5 will be released later this year and probably KDE Workspaces and Applications 5.0 at some point of 2013 or maybe early 2014. Both sound like a good points to advertize Wayland compatibility as they allow more drastic changes. That might not be necessary but at least the schedules match up.

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