Valve's Gabe Newell Really Hates Windows 8

[droidhacker]

OSX is mainstream

Is it REALLY that different from linux???

WHERE OH WHERE ARE the "plenty" of OSX viruses?

"Linux as an inherently secure system is, at least, dangerous."

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW DICTIONARY!!!! NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING IS "INHERENTLY" SECURE!!!

Between lies and self-fulfilling statements you didn't say ANYTHING AT ALL!

Intrinsic, ingrained, etc. Sure, "Inherently" is a perfectly good way to describe Linux security.
Especially when you're comparing it against balmerOS security.

The difference is this;
balmerOS originated as a SINGLE USER LIGHT WEIGHT operating system, designed for "PC's". It was originally called "DOS", and was low security because it was never expected that it would interact with networks or anything potentially hostile, PLUS, the physical limitations of an Intel 8086 with 640 kB RAM (or less...) really limited how far you could go with security. As the hardware advanced, they added more and more layers of glitter on top of DOS, but needed to maintain backwards compatibility through every step, hence they never really got away from the "single user mode" that was the main reason why their software was so easily compromised. Security on balmerOS is basically a practice in smoke and mirrors -- get an industrial fan and a rock, and it all goes away.

Linux is totally different though. It is INHERENTLY secure. It was based on UNIX, the old time NETWORK operating system that predates DOS. UNIX, and hence LINUX, are designed from the ground up to interact with networks and hostile adversaries. The security in it is at the very foundation. Linux is much NEWER than DOS, and therefore the PC hardware it was intended to run on, was much further advanced at the time, and capable of handling a system DESIGNED for security. Compared to balmer's smoke and mirrors, Linux is a maximum security prison with layered walls of concrete, barbed wire, guard towers, machine guns, bright lights, and sirens. That doesn't mean that it is INVULNERABLE, but that it is INHERENTLY [as in designed from the ground up to be] SECURE.

BTW: How exactly do you define "mainstream" that makes OSX more so than Linux?
Linux is running on FAR FAR FAR more devices than OSX.

Even GNU/Linux is probably on more devices than OSX. According to STEVE BALMER, the PC USER market share for OSX and Linux are about equal. You can look that up yourself if you're worried about the accuracy. Whether that is true or not is anyone's guess.
** and it doesn't count SMARTPHONES, APPLICANCES (like routers), or SERVERS.

If OSX is "mainstream", than Linux is EVEN MORE "mainstream".

[AJSB]

SteamOS (funny, it can be abreviated to ....SOS !!!)....hummmm....i actually like the name...wonder if sooner or later we will see a distro from Valve called something like that ?!?


As for hardware vendors be victims of M$ unfair tactics , it's amazing that no one in US or EU does something against those tactics....
....and FWIW, FYI, i made my own rig from ground up so i didn't had have to pay for a M$ OS.

[artivision]

1.Linux security has nothing to do with OS-X and Windows. Linux security comes from Libre-Source. When you can look the source you are secure, when you can manipulate the source (repository) you are secure, when you have access to all knowledge (Policy-Tools, App-Armor) you are secure, and more. For example If you execute a Virus with Wine you probably wont be harmed because of the system policy (Root, SElinux, others), how you will force policy on Closed-Software for example? 2.Linux is better on everything against OS-X and Windows but doesn't have many games. As Nvidia abandons D3D and their next Voxel-Raytracing engine (see ID-tech6), and as Wine gets better on D3D to OGL translations, Windows will lose in less than 2 years. You cant produce Raytracing or Voxel for D3D and keep in parallel all the rights for your "property", because D3D its closed!!! 3.The only real thing thats missing its hardware emulation. We cant run a x86 program on arm for example because its slow. The only way to accelerate its a subset of emulation instructions inside a CPU (Godson), or an external emulation accelerator like ZMS cores fixed for this job. Also we have better production programs but we don't have material for them. For example, all the samples of open-sound platform are unusable because are just Waves and not hight quality machine like SF2. Also there is not even a good preset available, for example all the guitar presets of Rakarrack are ?_F_?.

[johnc]

Linux is totally different though. It is INHERENTLY secure. It was based on UNIX, the old time NETWORK operating system that predates DOS. UNIX, and hence LINUX, are designed from the ground up to interact with networks and hostile adversaries. The security in it is at the very foundation. Linux is much NEWER than DOS, and therefore the PC hardware it was intended to run on, was much further advanced at the time, and capable of handling a system DESIGNED for security. Compared to balmer's smoke and mirrors, Linux is a maximum security prison with layered walls of concrete, barbed wire, guard towers, machine guns, bright lights, and sirens. That doesn't mean that it is INVULNERABLE, but that it is INHERENTLY [as in designed from the ground up to be] SECURE.

But all you need to do is trick a dumb (read: average) user into granting administrator privileges and you're screwed on Linux too.

It really wouldn't be hard to knock out an average user's Linux system, since escalating privileges is such a common user action.

And now with Ubuntu 12.04 you don't even need to grant administrator privileges to update already-installed software. If a PPA could be compromised, you could screw every user out there.

Look what was possible with a previous version of GNOME (and it really wasn't a "bug" per se): http://youtu.be/9HxFGQ8OpYw

Get a bunch of non-sophisticated users on Linux and it wouldn't be much better than Windows.

[artivision]

Security problems on Linux are fast fixed. At lest its better from an OS that sends your personal data to FBI. Also this faults you said like Repository are next to impossible.

[89c51]

Just out of curiosity isn't it possible to have some type of sandbox with linux for running apps you don't "trust"?? ie make it impossible for these apps to harm the kernel.

[entropy]

OSX is mainstream

Is it REALLY that different from linux???

WHERE OH WHERE ARE the "plenty" of OSX viruses?

"Linux as an inherently secure system is, at least, dangerous."

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW DICTIONARY!!!! NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING IS "INHERENTLY" SECURE!!!

Between lies and self-fulfilling statements you didn't say ANYTHING AT ALL!

Hello, are you the new aggressive boy in town?
These forums seem to attract a bunch of unpolite people lately.
Btw, you quoted me wrong on the sentence with the word you had to look up in a dictonary.

OSX is still not mainstream for virus authors, with an approximate user base of less than 10 %.
The amount of new viruses, thus, do not necessarily correlate with the level of security.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/26/apple-is-10-years-behind-microsoft-on-security-expert-says/

Same goes for Linux.

[ArchLinux]

Is it not unreasonable to assume, according to your own self-proclamation, that your website operates under the premise of providing news of interest to Linux and open-source enthusiasts? If so, then how does one find such an unimportant (or rather, simply not newsworthy) piece as this? I fail to see how a piece only showcasing one man's criticism of Windows has anything to do with Linux or open-source.

Well, you know that's a little ironic. I don't know how much you've rethought your position but you'd think that based on the language you use it'd be a fair bet that a person like this would at least be able to read the whole news (or if you did, you had other things on your mind).

Because, as everybody else noticed, things clearly go beyond just bashing Windows 8:

“The big problem that is holding back Linux is games. People don’t realize how critical games are in driving consumer purchasing behavior.

“We want to make it as easy as possible for the 2,500 games on Steam to run on Linux as well. It’s a hedging strategy.

it will be good to have alternatives to hedge against that eventuality.

He also comments how he likes open platforms.

So, showcasing criticism in regards to Windows? Yeah. But nothing else? Loads of it, really.

[disi]

PowerShell is a step forward...

[Kano]

@PeterKraus

At TUM there have been no public systems with Win for CS students when i was there, only HP UX, Irix, Sun OS, later Linux. I don't see a Win dominance in that field, maybe when you study something else than CS you could be "forced" to use apps that do not work with Linux. But basically you get professional tools like Mathematica or Maple for Linux as well (often preinstalled on public systems) so i see no problem for mathematics. Compared to those apps Excel and Calc is for beginners. I highly doubt that you could be forced to use ms office. Can you tell me which software you are forced to use which is Win only?