that being said, obviously blobs are a serious problem, in particular - when it comes to development, debugging, etc. But to claim they all should be destroyed when the OSS drivers are NOT a good replacement - because in general, they aren't performant and are missing many features, right down to basic stuff like proper power-management :\ I won't even consider using Wayland on a day to day basis, even if a couple distro's adopt it until Nvidia supports it. - there is absolutely no point. Nouveau isn't an (good) alternative, going and buying a modern AMD GPU - to use radeon, while much better than nouveau as a choice - is still quite laughable compared to the blobs. Intel may not be the worst choice, but i am not going out and buying a new Intel CPU - just to run sub-standard GFX. ~ what a joke.
2) I use KDE and fglrx just works with it
And be aware you are talking about bad issue, but not as critical as missing powersave from the radeon driver in my opinion. I have literally burned a laptop (not a fault of radeon that time to be clear), so I'm very critical about powersave.
I agree fglrx is not the best solution, of course it is not! Damn the intel driver is a paradise compared to it. I sold every AMD/NVIDIA machine I had to switch to intel. But still fglrx, even it is an half pile of bugged crap, is usefull to someone. Burning it is not a good solution.
I've been using nvidia blob on my ubuntu 12.04 until last month, the desktop experience was horrible, with nvidia blob you always feel some hiccups in rendering, nothing feels smooth wehther it's on desktop or in a game. Ever since I switched to Nouveau driver, everything started to look better and smoother, in fact Compiz plays much much better with Nouveau and also some games run smoother (not necessarily with higher FPS). This is the major reason that I like Nouveau driver better.
It's unlikely to see Nvidia open source thier driver but if they could provide nouveaue developers with some documentation, then you would see how fast Nouveau becomes the best choice for everyone.
I know that using Nouveau driver stops me from playing some modern games and the OpenGL support is at version 3.0 but now that I enjoyed it I can't simply switch back to Nvidia blob.
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It's evident that devs just plain didn't test this stuff at all before releasing it (in an LTS of all things).
Seriously... no non-tech geek is going to tolerate this BS.
By the looks of Radeon, I would say probably not.It's unlikely to see Nvidia open source thier driver but if they could provide nouveaue developers with some documentation, then you would see how fast Nouveau becomes the best choice for everyone.
And I already see how Wayland is going to go:
"We didn't bother to even consider the existence of binary drivers."
And sure enough, absolutely nothing will work outside of FOSS-land. People will be forced to engage in all kinds of Wayland-on-X hackery to get basic functionality and the masses will avoid Linux like the plague... And where does that put companies like Valve? Questioning their priorities and commitments, probably.
I didn't see the necessary capabilities in Oberon2, and at the time it hadn't been around long enough to acquire extensions. So on-list I asked about how to handle this situation. Their answer, "Get your applications re-coded in Oberon2, so that the data will be native and you won't have a legacy binary data problem any more." It's obvious that I had the power, on my own, to convert a F10 company to a pet programming language I wanted to investigate, as well as move all of their legacy data. It's equally obvious that Oberon2 has overtaken the programming profession completely, crowding out every other language. What a suggestion, what a plan!
Wayland is in a bit of a better situation here, since it is much more mainstream than Oberon2. But as good as Wayland may be I would be careful about adopting "my way or the highway" approaches toward industry-dominant parties.
If it were me, I would seriously consider the shim. I would not compromise OSS driver performance for the shim, nor the cleanliness of the server codebase. In fact, if difficulties forced the shim to be a little slower, that might well be a good thing, because I would also publish a plan for removing it, "in the name of native performance."
Incidentally, I use Linux for my day job. It's what the company has installed on our workstations - we're talking thousands of installations across the company. There are fabois moments, and then there's time to go to work. I welcome the idea of the simplicity and improvements Wayland can bring me - once it's capable of doing what I need it to do. (That includes networked graphics on a regular basis, but I know that the Wayland developers understand that, unlike the Wayland fanbois.) At home I'll probably use sooner than that.
I love how you just quoted part of the first bit without actually addressing what i was pointing out - which was entirely true...
i also like how divisive and ignorant you are, it's hilarious
you're such a little puke, asdx - your zealotry, fanaticism, stupidity and immaturity really shine with comments like this. They wonderfully showcase how misguided, unintellectual you are and also how much of a troll you are.