04-23-2012, 04:59 PM
I get stupid replies when I criticize AMD such as I haven't bought an AMD card and such. I haven't had the experiences but I can read them on here. Who is smarter, the ones who buy $300 AMD cards or $1000 laptops with AMD cards (well, older tech) or just waiting? I'd only buy a cheap or used card and and the latest as possible.
Originally Posted by TobiSGD
The power consumption problems seem to persist and there's issues with either driver. But, if you boot up Windows 7, you probably have minimal issues that are tied to graphics or video drivers. If Linux is using the Windows driver for their binary drivers, why is AMD/ATI continually having problems and why have some of these go end of life? If you boot up Windows, does that card suddenly stop working? You don't have video anymore?
The endless number of features that aren't supported is another problem.
The assertions that AMD does a good job supporting Linux is a fallacy. The evidence shows otherwise.
04-23-2012, 05:18 PM
I have to disagree with you. AMD is trying its best to develop free drivers. Remember that they are in a tough financial situation! Their efforts just have not yet paid off. The whole problem with feature parity proves just how highly developed are those GPUs.
Originally Posted by Panix
04-23-2012, 05:41 PM
It will not be supporting new kernel and xserver releases, I have asked the AMD devs.
Originally Posted by Mark__T
04-23-2012, 08:07 PM
AMD confirms elsewhere now.... Under Windows they call this a new 'support model' - http://www.ngohq.com/news/21725-amd-...00-series.html
04-23-2012, 10:27 PM
I use the following setting in /etc/X11/Xresources (if it doesn't exist, create it and X will recognize it)
Originally Posted by Kano
Like the former solution, this will be effective when X starts. Even your login manager will be covered by this DPI setting.
Last edited by Alejandro Nova; 04-23-2012 at 10:40 PM.
04-23-2012, 11:27 PM
Why aren't we blaming Xorg?
Allow me to pontificate,
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Linux Kernel version 2.6.27.
It still works with Catylist 9.3 which still works with the radeon 9800.
And all that still works with Ubuntu 9.04 and Slackware 12.2.
FACT: The hardware divide is there because Linux runs like crap beyond.
It's not like anybody is upgrading or has upgraded to Ubuntu 11.04 - 12.04, Fedora 13 - 17, Slackware 13.1 - 13.WTFS, or etc.
Let's elaborate on that statement; anybody doing real work on older hardware is still using older versions of the operating system.
I have a lot more ATI cards than I do NVidia. I personally think they run damn good under Windows.
FACT: I recently tried Windows 7, Ubuntu 12, and Slackware 133.wtfs on a 6200pci laden Celeron; Windows 7 was the clear winner.
Linux-land better get it's head out of it's proverbial a55. Because it's sad the compatibility blows as bad as it does. I be damned if I'm donning a robe and singing hymes to the praises of GNU with a console and Emacs stuck up my a55.
Try to the see the humor in this. They're all in cahoots. They want you to throw away your old hardware for new stuff. Xorg is just bascially a game designer these days. You want to know where the Linux games are? We got the best RPG, MMOGRAM, WTF there is, XORG 2.0: A new beginning. It's bascially become so huge of an online work that they are creating the Cell-phone apt version called Wayland. Sounds like Weyland-Yutani from Aliens to me. You'll spend so much time tweaking and tuning that you end up missing your brothers graduating and your somehow getting gray hair.
Granted I'm mad they never offered up the RAGE Theater 200 specifications. I had gatos and it never made a sound. But XP is a sufficient tool for video work.
04-23-2012, 11:31 PM
It would not be logical when W7 would not "win" for games. However your example card is only DX9, so even XP would be enough from driver perspective. W7 is only needed for DX10+ cards.
04-23-2012, 11:43 PM
Many A-rate titles are still DX9 compatible. They are ports from the Xbox 360. Force Unleashed, SkyRim, GTA4, practically anything using Unreal tech.
Originally Posted by Kano
I have an HD4200 onboard. The OSS drivers can't even handle HDMI correctly. Let's not even speak of gaming. S3TC: non existant.
04-24-2012, 12:35 AM
Your 2 examples are bad. You can use hdmi audio (which i think you missed) using
override. That works up to hd 4 series with kernel 3.2 and since kernel 3.3 you can use hdmi audio with hd 5 as well (you should note that this was reverse engineered and NOT because of amd made docs public).
Next: adding s3tc support is a piece of cake. in debian multimedia is libtxc-dxtn and if you are fine with s2tc support you can use libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 (which are directly in wheezy/sid). s2tc support is also available in u precise universe repository (not really hard to understand as this a just a sid snapshot repo).
04-24-2012, 07:18 AM
This is completely different than physically removing a driver from Catalyst. My read of that page is that Catalyst will support the 2k, 3k, and 4k series with the monthly driver release, but for months 2 and 3 there would be no changes for those particular cards. Should they continue the same model on Linux as Windows (which seems plausible given the sharing of code), there would be no change in the use of Catalyst other than the arms race for installing the latest driver once a month. And if they continue on Linux in this same regard, I would see no reason they wouldn't keep up with X.org/Kernel ABI updates. This smells like a lot of nothing.
Originally Posted by Michael