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MATE (GNOME 2 Fork) For The Fedora Desktop?
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Will Mate last a year?
Gnome is backed by a large community and heavyweight corporate sponsors. Mate is "just this guy you know" to quote Douglas Adams.
Unless the big names jump on board then Mate just becomes a frozen in time snapshot of Gnome 2.34, while everyone else marches into the future.
Instead of carrying on in forums I adopted Gnome 3.0 and now 3.2. I looked at what I needed and wanted and went out and found the extensions to bend the Gnome-Shell to what I want. That is not necessarily what you want, but that is the beauty of the new Gnome - it is infinitely malleable. Make it what you want by picking and choosing extensions and themes. Set up your very own "me" desktop that is different to anyone else's.
Try that with Gnome 2.x or any of the others.
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Not impressed with any gnome2 fork. Well, impressed if they get it in good shape and get some momentum, but I'd be more impressed if they used gtk+3 instead of gtk+2.
Originally posted by Teho View PostHow does having to use different named application equal to having less choise...
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IMO forking gnome 2 is a colossal waste of time. First of all one of the reasons gnome 3 was a huge re-write was gnome 2 was becoming difficult to maintain. Efforts would be better spend contributing to XFCE, which with more polish would be an amazing replacement for gnome 2, or if you really want to fork something fork the gnome 3 panel and give it some much need polish.
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If people want to put up the effort and time to support MATE on Fedora then it will happen.
If people expect that their demands matter one whit when they are telling other people that they should put the work in to support on MATE on Fedora, then they are confused.
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imagine if all the main distros decided that BTRFS is pretty much ready, and so removed ext3/4 from the kernel. Its has loads of great new features, the missing features you either dont really need, or they will be read RealSoonNow, and it does not crash too often on my machine. That is basically what has happened with gnome 3. (except ubuntu said, that's crazy logic, we will use Reiser instead).
I agree that gnome 3 has lots of great new things in it. but
It is slow on my netbook (about 2 seconds to go to activity view)
It fails if I plug in an external monitor (my GPU can't span wider than 2k pixels, has some bugs in vertical mode, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=663690 )
it crashes sometimes ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=757478 , https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=759661 )
i find some of the new behaviour awkward (e.g. alt-tab, hidden notifications, lack of panel apps).
fall back mode does not solve much.
maybe in a few years these issues will be solved. And i'll happily test development software and report bugs. but it would be nice to have something stable and useful to work with. MATE seems to be the answer to this. (i have tried xfce, openbox and KDE, and none meets what want in a DE)
there is also bluebubble http://k3rnel.net/tag/bluebubble/
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Originally posted by ssam View Postimagine if all the main distros decided that BTRFS is pretty much ready, and so removed ext3/4 from the kernel. Its has loads of great new features, the missing features you either dont really need, or they will be read RealSoonNow, and it does not crash too often on my machine. That is basically what has happened with gnome 3. (except ubuntu said, that's crazy logic, we will use Reiser instead).
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Originally posted by Teho View PostOnly disto to include it so far is Linux Mint. I personally doubt that it will make it into any major distros repositories but well who knows.
Originally posted by Teho View PostWhat would Ubuntu have benefited from forking Gnome 2? Even if they were to provide Gnome 2 like experience it would make absolutely no sense to base it on Gnome 2. Gnome has hundreds of developers and forking the code means huge amount of added work with little to no benefit.
Originally posted by Teho View PostHow does having to use different named application equal to having less choise...
Originally posted by Teho View PostMate is not OS but rather a desktop environment. .
Originally posted by Teho View PostConfigurability has never been a strenght of Gnome
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Originally posted by elsie View PostIt's available in Arch Linux, it's available in Ubuntu (unofficially), it's in Mint officially & now maybe Fedora.
Originally posted by elsie View PostThe code is already there. How much work is there to fork the code & maintain it/update it? One guy was able to fork it...
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