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Many people here are calling Wayland 'immature' - for the current state of Wayland, that may indeed be true. But it will still take a couple of years of development before any mainline distro will start to use Wayland. I am sure that Wayland will be greatly improved in the following years.
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Originally posted by Yaro View PostNo, I'd rather they overhaul the X standard into X12 than see something as immature as Wayland take over.
Sure, there's some somewhat DECENT support for accelerated OpenGL in a good deal of the open source drivers. Complete? No. Enough to fully support, say, KWin's compositing? No.
AFAIK if you are using nouveau, you have to use mesa GIT.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostIt is not dead (see Nintendo's latest Wii U console) but the applications have changed.
Now, if the Wii U pad had its own small OS and its own GPU and the Wii U was just sending rendering commands to the pad, then it would be a good example of server-side rendering in the context of X11.
Originally posted by zesterDBUS uses XML all over the place. Besides Vortex uses libaxl for XML it's 14% faster that libxml
Originally posted by kraftmanNot exactly. Windows is insecure by design. It doesn't even ask for password in most (any?) cases.
Windows Vista/7 especially are quite secure. I will steadfastly hold to the claim that they are in fact more secure desktop OSes than Linux+X11 by a long shot. That is due to a significant effort put into very fine-grained privilege separation in services, the UAC dialogs and the security of how those are implemented (where's the "please make sure this full-screen window that may or may not be my screensaver unlock dialog really is my screensaver and not something else?" for X11 at?), the significantly more thoroughly protected file system, etc. Sure, it won't ask for a password, but if you actually think about this with any level of critical cognition, why would you care about a password prompt rather than UAC? Nobody but the physical user sitting in front of the machine can agree to a UAC prompt, while on Linux/X11 pretty much anything and everything can snoop on half your password dialogs (did you just put in your SSH key in that root-owned dialog? who cares, any app can snoop on the X11 events to that window trivially, because nobody is actually using XACE for anything useful yet) and respond to password dialogs on their own. Honestly asking a user to type a password does not protect him from malware any more than clicking a properly protected button does, because either one requires the user to consciously decide to do something stupid. The whole purpose of such things is to verify the human's intent, and the Windows implementation actually succeeds at that while the Linux implementations do not.
Password prompts are built around the assumption that someone else is physically at your computer trying to mess it up; let me tell you, if someone is physically at my desktop, they've already broken into my house and I have bigger problems than my PC; and if someone got into my laptop, that means they already got past one password prompt at the login/unlock screen and clearly a second password prompt is not going to deter them further. Linux is just obnoxious when it even tries to be secure, while Windows is effective and as unobtrusive as possible.
The Linux desktop has things to learn and emulate from the modern Windows experience. Laughing at something you obviously haven't used or understood while trumping up the out-moded and poorly-conceived UNIX tradition of password prompts is not helping you, Linux, or anyone else to be more secure and safe.
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