Mono Developers Go Bye-Bye From Attachmate

[locovaca]

Who needs Mono to create apps anyway? Are they lazy to learn other languages or simply incompetent to use alternatives?

If you can't code in Java then you can't code. If you are lazy then I don't want to run your software as I hate fat software. And who doesn't?

Troll much?

[pingufunkybeat]

Qt -> KDE, that's not really "multi-platform".

What on Earth are you talking about?

Qt is cross-platform, and runs on everything.
QtCreator is cross platform, and should run wherever Qt runs.
You can use Qt Creator without using KDE classes.
You can also use Qt Creator without using Qt classes.

You're complaining about Qt not being multi-platform and you use Visual Studio

[pingufunkybeat]

Only mono stuff relating to windows compatibility is in any remote danger of patent issues, and those parts aren't needed for developing linux applications.

C# is not needed for developing linux applications either.

[BlackStar]

F#, yeh I wanted to try that for some time. but are ocaml and F# really that compatible?

F# is a cleaner, more modern version of Ocaml. It's backwards compatible to a point.

These are multiparadigm languages so you can program in the style that most suits you. Gradually you'll start finding the functional style more natural (simpler, safer) to use and soon after you'll never see programming the same way again.

C++ is a good language to have in your toolkit, but a functional language will make you a better programmer than C++ ever will. Besides, the more diverse your skills are, the higher the chances of getting the job when you reach for a non-grunt level position.

[BlackStar]

C# is not needed for developing linux applications either.

Neither is C++, Python, Java, Ruby, Perl, PHP or Haskel. Yet there you are.

Diversity is the destiny of Free software.

[wswartzendruber]

.NET is an ECMA standard, stop letting your irrational paranoia control your thoughts. Only mono stuff relating to windows compatibility is in any remote danger of patent issues, and those parts aren't needed for developing linux applications.

The following namespaces are open:

System
System.Collections
System.Diagnostics
System.Globalization
System.IO
System.Net
System.Reflection
System.Runtime
System.Security
System.Text
System.Threading
System.Xml

The following namespaces are proprietary:

System.CodeDom
System.ComponentModel
System.Configuration
System.Data
System.Deployment
System.DirectoryServices
System.Drawing
Ssytem.EnterpriseServices
System.Linq
System.Linq.Expressions
System.Management
System.Media
System.Messaging
System.Web
System.Windows.Forms

[BlackStar]

Which doesn't mean you cannot re-implement them and use them in a Free application. Ffmpeg is under pretty much the same situation (arguably worse, since there's no patent promise) but that doesn't stop Free software from relying on it.

If you really believe that, then are you willing to delete anything related to mp3, mpeg1/2/3, h264, flash and skype from your computer? Didn't think so.

[wswartzendruber]

For extra commentary, I would like to see a legal implementation of the open namespaces. Any attempt by Microsoft to enforce patents on them would fail miserably because of their legally-binding community promise. This open framework would also pose no threat to them because Windows apps couldn't be ported. The aim of the project wouldn't be to have compatibility with .NET, it would be to use the CLR as the foundation of a viable platform. Focusing only on the open namespaces would greatly reduce the amount of work and maintenance required. Third party projects could fill in the gaps with data access and so on.

[omgwtfchill]

The following namespaces are proprietary:
...
System.Linq
System.Linq.Expressions

Just an FYI, but at least those 2 assemblies/namespaces are covered by patent grants:

http://dlr.codeplex.com

Check out the license file (Apache 2.0 for those too lazy to investigate for themselves).

[bwat47]

Neither is C++, Python, Java, Ruby, Perl, PHP or Haskel. Yet there you are.

Diversity is the destiny of Free software.

Agreed. Unfortunately these hypocrites constantly bashing mono will never realize common sense.