AMD's opensource lies exposed

[glxextxexlg]

If you don't need OpenGL 3+ (and most people on Linux do not need it, because there is virtually no software for it)

Egg form the chicken or chicken from the egg? (tm) If an asshole company drops support for their cards which they released (and sold to people for money) 2 years prior to the drop point, then one must be stupid not to understand why there isn't many OpenGL 3.x 4.x software for linux...
Imagine you own a software company, would you risk to port your OpenGL 3.x application to linux environment, where a dumbass hardware manufacturer can ruin your efforts in a minute? Thats why rage developers are cautious about porting to linux... Open your eyes.

[pingufunkybeat]

There aren't many OpenGL 3+ apps for Linux, because they are basically all games.

And the question why there are so few games for Linux has been discussed ad nauseam.

There are few commercial OpenGL2 games for Linux too, so your argument is weak.

[D0pamine]

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item&px=ODQyMQ

Its perfectly understandable that a hardware which is visually extinct from the material world to be not supported with the latest X stack. Nvidia's legacy drivers being able to work with maybe not the latest but modern linux distributions is just amazing. Let alone that read carefully and understand riva128 + many legacy hardware are already fully supported by noveau gallium3d drivers, so even if nvidia drops support for the latest X stack, they have the option of noveau on their side, and after 15 years of good binary support we'll most probably have that support when our hardware support gets dropped. Any more hollow rants?

So what you're saying is the noveau driver is superior to the radeon driver? ... hum I really don't think so....

[mirv]

Only the oldest of the old have nvidia stopped supporting newer versions of Xorg. Legacy in nvidia land does not mean dropping support. Everything that has been manufactured for a better part of a decade has had several xorg bump updates done to it.

You are presenting a Henny Penny argument.

My response was to indicate that nvidia also drop (or, if you wish, no longer actively maintain) support for old hardware - it was implied previously that nvidia don't do this. They won't maintain drivers for all hardware indefinitely, and that's no Henny Penny argument - that's simple business.
Also, what happens if (and I don't see this happening any time soon, but there is talk of it) something like Wayland becomes popular? There's no problems with open source drivers there.

[deanjo]

Also, what happens if (and I don't see this happening any time soon, but there is talk of it) something like Wayland becomes popular? There's no problems with open source drivers there.

Chances are that nvidia will support it. If nvidia has proved anything over the years is that they have been very adept at accommodating the various curve balls that the community can throw at them. Again you are presenting a Henny Penny argument.

[mirv]

Chances are that nvidia will support it. If nvidia has proved anything over the years is that they have been very adept at accommodating the various curve balls that the community can throw at them. Again you are presenting a Henny Penny argument.

nvidia have stated that they have no plans to support it, and you don't know which cards would be supported if they were forced to write their drivers for it. You already know which ones would be supported by the open source drivers.
Do you really think X will remain as it is for decades to come? Perhaps you'd prefer that it stagnate just so you can use some blob driver, which has plenty of issues with it anyway.
Open source drivers, and access to hardware specs, really have far more advantages over closed source drivers and closed hardware specs.

[D0pamine]

Chances are that nvidia will support it. If nvidia has proved anything over the years is that they have been very adept at accommodating the various curve balls that the community can throw at them. Again you are presenting a Henny Penny argument.

Key word there being 'chances' - you are at their mercy

[deanjo]

nvidia have stated that they have no plans to support it, and you don't know which cards would be supported if they were forced to write their drivers for it. You already know which ones would be supported by the open source drivers.
Do you really think X will remain as it is for decades to come? Perhaps you'd prefer that it stagnate just so you can use some blob driver, which has plenty of issues with it anyway.
Open source drivers, and access to hardware specs, really have far more advantages over closed source drivers and closed hardware specs.

Nvidia never announces upcoming features until they have something to present to the public. That is nothing new. Nvidia also stated that they had no plans to provide hardware decoding at one time as well but wham out of no where vdpau was released.

[deanjo]

Key word there being 'chances' - you are at their mercy

There is also a 'chance' every winter that there will be snow on the ground in Canada. It is never guaranteed but the chance falls heavily in favour of it.

[pingufunkybeat]

Haha, I love the "curve ball" argument.

Poor nvidia, suffering from the "curve balls" by the evil community, instead of simply releasing the specs for the hardware millions of people have purchased, and are not allowed to use, understand, or program.

But no, it's the "curve balls" that are the problems, but our heroes are dealing well with such brutal attacks.

And then there is the argument that boycotting OSS produces great OSS drivers (nouveau), which is preferable to supporting the community financially and by providing specs and assistance.