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    Quote Originally Posted by deanjo View Post
    That is not the best they can do, the best they can do is to attempt to work together. The worst they can do is ignore each other.
    what is the basement of "work together" ??

    sorry for copy and past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStar View Post
    Strawmen and more strawmen.

    I said that Nvidia does not contribute to Linux (i.e. kernel) development. With that in mind, why should kernel developers be tasked with maintaining Nvidia's blob? What would e.g. Red Hat gain from that? Or independent contributors?

    Like it or not, the kernel is not developed for you and me. It's developed by Red Hat, AMD, Intel, etc *for* Red Hat, AMD, Intel, etc. The fact that we can use this kernel on our desktop is awesome, but we are certainly not the primary target.
    ubuntu (and maybe others) should consider having a special modified kernel for desktop use (aka fork) and allow for hardware ABIs and let manufacturers port all their blobs over.

    If this can be done in opensolaris (and others), i dont know what are we waiting for..

    these driver issues and stupid wars can get pretty tiresome. I just want my hardware to work. Do what ever i dont care and get it working.

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    The kernel doesn't stand by itself. If the kernel only cared about working with the kernel there would be no external interfaces at all. APIs and ABIs exist so that code OUTSIDE the kernel can use it. Kernel developers DO maintain stuff for code that isn't their own. It would be useless if it didn't. They provide facility for code that doesn't live in the kernel and they do it ALL THE TIME.

    I regularly change my kernel without recompiling or reimplementing every other binary on my system. I can do that because stable APIs and ABIs exist. I can do that because the kernel guys DO care that software outside their tree and influence works.

    People should just be honest and call the issues surrounding BLOB drivers inter-working with the kernel what they are: Pissing matches of political, philosophical, and religious origin. The technical issues are dwarfed more by egos than by difficulty of implementation and maintenance. Making out like the the latter two are some how significant when the former is so much more forbidding is a bit silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    what is the basement of "work together" ??
    If the statement made any sense in english I could probably answer that Q but it must lose something in the translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy View Post
    People should just be honest and call the issues surrounding BLOB drivers inter-working with the kernel what they are: Pissing matches of political, philosophical, and religious origin. The technical issues are dwarfed more by egos than by difficulty of implementation and maintenance. Making out like the the latter two are some how significant when the former is so much more forbidding is a bit silly.
    Amen. Technical issues can be resolved when "political, philosophical, and religious origin" take a back seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanjo View Post
    If the statement made any sense in english I could probably answer that Q but it must lose something in the translation.
    I suspect Q meant "basis" or "foundation".

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