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Yah, dat was my post. I found it amusing when your question had so clear a list at the X wiki.
You asked for cards in use, not cards still for sale. Even then there's probably a ton of r128 server boards for sale.
Now, /back to bashing blobs.
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The bullshit is almost getting unbearable, but I?ll just give it another shot...
Originally posted by mugginz View PostFirstly it would be helpful if you'd stop being a fool.
Secondly, in what way would it make sense for the xorg devs to break either nVidia's blob or fglrx when so many people depend on them?
Dude if you don't know why that's valuable then there's no hope for you.
Some people need fglrx. If they do, that rules out vsynced video in some configurations. If they then need to view vsynced video, they'll have to config their machine to use the FLOSS driver to do this and when they're finished, switch back to fglrx.
But then again some people might need Windows for app X. But that, as you may find after you did the brain surgery, is irregardless of X.org?s purpose and stance towards outside, closed sourced driver development.
Dude, look back at who brought up those cards. It was curaga who made the post with them listed. It's there in black and white. If you can't even read then there's not much hope for a worthwhile discussion.
Just to help you out, here is the post in its entirety.
And yes back to bashing the blobs, if that?s OK with mugginz?
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Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostThe bullshit is almost getting unbearable, but I?ll just give it another shot...
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Originally posted by V!NCENTWhy does the free software X.org, being a refference implemenation of X11, that has its own free drivers, stop and considder supporting a commercial closed source driver that?s in development outside of X.org, which completely doesn't give a fsck about whether X.org wants to move on or uses new tech, when it already has Noveau? Care to explain? Or care to shut up? Choose one...
Originally posted by mugginzSecondly, in what way would it make sense for the xorg devs to break either nVidia's blob or fglrx when so many people depend on them?
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostOriginally posted by mugginzSecondly, in what way would it make sense for the xorg devs to break either nVidia's blob or fglrx when so many people depend on them?
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostFirst you brought up the fglrx point and then arguing along with yourself. It has never been about fglrx. But by the definition of important for desktop use and not workstation here at Phoronix I?ll give you a hint: what people need is not what people like. People need e-mail and people need digital agenda?s and being able to let their computer fill the roll of a typewriter. Everything else is fun/entertainment, being gaming. So by that definition some people might need tear free video to watch movies.
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostBut then again some people might need Windows for app X. But that, as you may find after you did the brain surgery, is irregardless of X.org?s purpose and stance towards outside, closed sourced driver development.
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostI already said I was fscking sorry and if you can manage to read and think at 40 degrees celsius (yes there is actually a temperature meter on the screen) when you?re barely used to 20 degrees just yet and on a phone than GLHF.
Originally posted by V!NCENTYou?re still full of shit, or troll.... or both.
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostI also said ?still in use today?. Server, for the love of god, should be good with a terminal only, or headless. How?s that for being a fool? Setting up Compiz when you?re running anything, not scientific because it?s old as hell, related to webserving is absolutely retarted and even then VESA will do the trick. God...
Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostAnd yes back to bashing the blobs, if that?s OK with mugginz?
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Originally posted by mugginz View PostI said [...] Secondly, in what way would it make sense for the xorg devs to break either nVidia's blob or fglrx when so many people depend on them? [...] In what way is that not self explanatory?
Now who?s being full of shit V!NCENT.
If you can't see why they'd want to enable the binary drivers then you don't have a very broad grasp of the computer market place.
Hell Linux would be even more adopted if Linux would allow patented Windows shit into the kernel... So it is not the point. And please don?t tell me I have to explain what I am talking about right here...
There is a need for the binary blobs that the FLOSS drivers can't meet. If you feel it's a reasonable thing for the xorg devs to not consider their impact on them then you need to do acquire some appreciation of what other people need.
There is a requirement for xorg to support both fglrx and nVidia's blob. The xorg devs can if they feel the need break those drivers in order to do other things with the open drivers. To break the binary drivers is to diminish the viability of the Linux platform to many users. If they break those drives the help break the Linux platform for a lot of people. If they want to provide a compelling solution for the majority they need to be sympathetic to the binary driver writers. Pretty simple stuff really.
No, xorg is required by many users to support the binary drivers. If xorg drops support for the binary drivers many users will drop Linux as a platform.
Running a file server was part of this discussion?
Originally posted by curaga View PostYou asked for cards in use, not cards still for sale. Even then there's probably a ton of r128 server boards for sale.
If you must but you only make yourself look like a fool to do so.
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Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostAnd you said that I couldn?t read...
As you don't seem to be able to I guess we'll have to play along with your rot. But the nets fulls of such people. There's no reason the Phoronix forums wont have any of them.
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Originally posted by mugginz View PostActually I should've asked can you think clearly.
As you don't seem to be able to I guess we'll have to play along with your rot. But the nets fulls of such people. There's no reason the Phoronix forums wont have any of them.
But simply putting argumentationaly founded disagreement on the same line as as 'rot' is saying more about you then about me.
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Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostAnd finaly, after you wanted to on, the complexity of this argument in maze of quoting took its tole.
But simply putting argumentationaly founded disagreement on the same line as as 'rot' is saying more about you then about me.
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Originally posted by mugginz View PostSecondly, in what way would it make sense for the xorg devs to break either nVidia's blob or fglrx when so many people depend on them?
Oh and for the sake of it I'll just point that Xorg devs rejected nvidia patches for using the blob as default one without Xorg conf ...
If you consider this I'm quite surprised then they are keeping some code in for nvidia blob sake... Let's face it if it was out nvidia would just had to adjust to it sooner or latter.
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Originally posted by val-gaav View PostIn open source world... You know here many times devs don't give a damn about what users want or need...
Originally posted by val-gaav View PostDevs write the software for their own fun or need and so they work on features they need/want ...
Originally posted by val-gaav View PostOh and for the sake of it I'll just point that Xorg devs rejected nvidia patches for using the blob as default one without Xorg conf ...
Originally posted by val-gaav View PostIf you consider this I'm quite surprised then they are keeping some code in for nvidia blob sake... Let's face it if it was out nvidia would just had to adjust to it sooner or latter.
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