Nvidia deside to abadon opensource, I deside to abadon Nvidia.

[crazycheese]

You know, the only thing I like on nvidia now, is their linux crew.

Nvidia is protecting theirintellectual property . But what role this protection will play, if their card stays on the shelf for me?

[pingufunkybeat]

Besides Gallium3D, which AMD and Intel develop

Gallium3d is developed by Tungsten Graphics, now VMWare.

Nouveau is using Gallium3d exclusively, and AMD is planning to migrate over (with a solution for chips up to r500 already stable and usable).

AFAIK, Intel is skeptical about the whole thing and their stuff does not run on Gallium3d yet. Don't know if it will, and when.

[crazycheese]

Gallium3d is developed by Tungsten Graphics, now VMWare.

Nouveau is using Gallium3d exclusively, and AMD is planning to migrate over (with a solution for chips up to r500 already stable and usable).

AFAIK, Intel is skeptical about the whole thing and their stuff does not run on Gallium3d yet. Don't know if it will, and when.

So you think VMWare is a gfx company?

Or that Noveau will reach any level of performance and any features that opensource radeon has, with nvidia help? They dont have any choice and they are unsupported small group of enthusiasts.

Intels problem is low-perfomance hardware.

Im running 3D on opensource drivers using R600(R740) with KMS and 60fps in OpenArena as decribed above, with powermanagement WORKING(or at least card not going into high perfomance mode, this might explain constant 60fps regardless of details). But 140W load are remarkable powerdrain for whole quadcore system with 1TFlop graphics all running on opensource code(if you count firmware out, which is only for R600+).

nvidia, where?

[pingufunkybeat]

So you think VMWare is a gfx company?

No, I think that VMware bought a graphics company and is continuing to develop the framework because it is beneficial for their virtualisation software.

I was just clearing up some misunderstanding. Gallium3d is not developed by Intel and AMD, though recent AMD drivers run on this infrastructure.

[md1032]

crazycheese, you don't seem to get it. The code is *shared*, so you could just as easily say that the Windows driver is based on the Linux driver.

This is what you get when you develop completely separate drivers instead of sharing code: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item&px=ODIwMQ

[nanonyme]

Accelerating horse is much better than a pony

But! But! Ponies are cute! :/

[nanonyme]

Gallium3d is developed by Tungsten Graphics, now VMWare.

The core is although afaik patches are welcome.

[Panix]

It's not fair to insinuate that Nvidia users or Linux users who (eventually) opt for Nvidia cards don't support open source!

Newsflash: video cards and their manufacturers are PRODUCED with Mikeysoft Windows in mind. BOTH AMD AND NVIDIA have their cards made and produced in great numbers for the Windows marketplace. Drivers for video cards are available for both Windows and Linux but it's the Windows drivers that get priority whether we/you like it or not. That is an unfortunate reality. So, with Nvidia cards, they might use Windows drivers and reverse engineer the binary blob for Linux use but in doing that, the strange reality is less issues than ATI. At least, so far. If you want a truly open source option, you need either A) convince AMD or Nvidia to really invest in open source more than they do which is unlikely to happen any time soon or B) an equally unlikely scenario of having 'Linux ppl' able to produce video hardware. I doubt that will be happening any time soon either.

If Nvidia is evil for only providing a binary blob, AMD/ATI is guilty for not having enough resources for Linux support.

[crazycheese]

It's not fair to insinuate that Nvidia users or Linux users who (eventually) opt for Nvidia cards don't support open source!

Newsflash: video cards and their manufacturers are PRODUCED with Mikeysoft Windows in mind. BOTH AMD AND NVIDIA have their cards made and produced in great numbers for the Windows marketplace. Drivers for video cards are available for both Windows and Linux but it's the Windows drivers that get priority whether we/you like it or not. That is an unfortunate reality. So, with Nvidia cards, they might use Windows drivers and reverse engineer the binary blob for Linux use but in doing that, the strange reality is less issues than ATI. At least, so far. If you want a truly open source option, you need either A) convince AMD or Nvidia to really invest in open source more than they do which is unlikely to happen any time soon or B) an equally unlikely scenario of having 'Linux ppl' able to produce video hardware. I doubt that will be happening any time soon either.

If Nvidia is evil for only providing a binary blob, AMD/ATI is guilty for not having enough resources for Linux support.

Thats good points, but AMD and Intel roll out a real solution(A), with AMD also providing hardware, whilst Nvidia gives windows ports.

[pingufunkybeat]

If you want a truly open source option, you need either A) convince AMD or Nvidia to really invest in open source more than they do which is unlikely to happen any time soon

I don't understand the logic here.

AMD is investing a LOT of effort into helping open source drivers. LOADS.

nVidia is not investing anything.

Suggesting that these are somewhat equal is just wrong.