X.Org Server 1.8.0 Is Here

[Shining Arcanine]

Why exactly is udev so much better than HAL?

I believe udev is a part of the kernel, which can make relying on it more desirable than relying on HAL.

[Ex-Cyber]

As I understand it, HAL support is being dropped because HAL itself has been deprecated in favor of DeviceKit+udev.

[pvtcupcakes]

As I understand it, HAL support is being dropped because HAL itself has been deprecated in favor of DeviceKit+udev.

According to Wikipedia, DeviceKit is deprecated too. It's been merged into udev.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_%28software%29#Deprecated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeviceKit#DeviceKit_Future

[Ex-Cyber]

According to Wikipedia, DeviceKit is deprecated too. It's been merged into udev.

I thought that was more of a rename than a deprecation.

[DeepDayze]

now do we want spam? NO!

[DeepDayze]

On topic, hal's a bit of an abomination...why not just use one level abstraction, such as the kernel's to expose the devices to applications such as X?

About time X does away with Hal...and sticks with udev

[KDesk]

But operating systems like the *BSDs don't have udev. What are they doing to use when HAL dies?

[RahulSundaram]

But operating systems like the *BSDs don't have udev. What are they doing to use when HAL dies?

They don't need udev and have their own equivalents. The developers porting Xorg to other operating systems will make those changes among others. HAL used to abstract away all that but turned out to be not the right approach.

[DeepDayze]

They don't need udev and have their own equivalents. The developers porting Xorg to other operating systems will make those changes among others. HAL used to abstract away all that but turned out to be not the right approach.

exactly..good point

[combuster]

Just tried xserver 1.8, had to disable hal and enable dbus manually (cause hal was starting it by itself), ran Xorg -configure, reboot - works. Well sort of

Compiz was trippy (key lags, graphic artifacts all over my screen), switching to metacity solved that. Extremetuxracer froze X nicely So my guess it's mesa 7.8 that is causing the troubles...

X -version
X.Org X Server 1.8.0
Release Date: 2010-04-02

glxinfo | grep Mesa
client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20100328 2010Q1
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.8

xf86-video-intel 2.11

Arch Linux, Gnome 2.30