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Originally posted by n0nsense View PostAfter "ItIsBetterWithWondows" campaign [...]
Originally posted by ApopasAdvertise means to propagandise the benefits of your products, not to FUD against the competitors ones.
By the way, the FSF knows a couple of things about mud throwing, only that in their case these are not urban legends.
Originally posted by ApopasThe first one is an accetable advertise for deanjo while the second one is an insult to Apopas and that's what Asus did. So no, while I won't agree against the Phoronix Asus reviews like some proposed, I won't buy Asus products again since they didn't advertise but insulted (even with lies in some cases).
"Windows helps you easily get online and connect to your devices and services - without dealing with an unfamiliar environment or major compatiblity issues."
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I didn't hear a single word from Asus though against their relevance with that site.
I'm not picky with english, only with language: "propagandise" is not "advertise".
edit: I found a quote in wikipedia.
Sut Jhally writes: “20. century advertising is the most powerful and sustained system of propaganda in human history.
Sut Jhally is a professor of Communication at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and is a cultural studies scholar in the area of advertising, media, and consumption.
Something similar say and two greek encyclopedias I have here. One old from 70s and one new from 2002.
The 7 sins are urban legends acording to you?
Unfortunately the hoax site is down so I can't take a closer look at it myself. The funny thing is that, even according to what I could gather from sites belonging to very-angry-people, the whole thing was nothing out of the cosmos:
If this sentence is the highlight, some people should really have a sanity check. I wonder who could disagree with this after reading what Mr Larabel had to do to get wireless working on his brand new netbook.
Now with the "unfamilliar environment" is as if they say, "don't try something different than what you got used to do".Last edited by Apopas; 28 December 2009, 09:32 AM.
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Originally posted by ApopasI didn't hear a single word from Asus though against their relevance with that site.
Originally posted by ApopasYes it is a form of propaganda. I learnt this to the highschool and then to the uni, unfortunately these books are in greek to make a quotation.
Originally posted by ApopasAs does microsoft. Since both are the main makers of Linux and windows as software. Hardware manufacturers should stay indepedent.
The 7 sins are urban legends acording to you?
Originally posted by ApopasPity is down indeed. We would have fun with you trying to unprove the obvious as you always do.
Originally posted by ApopasThis argumentation spreads the belief that if you buy a netbook with Linux installed then you will have major compatibility issues which is not the case.
Originally posted by ApopasNow with the "unfamilliar environment" is as if they say, "don't try something different than what you got used to do".
All in all, nothing particularly unethical or surprising for a (hypothetical) ad, and surely not "an insult" to Linux or a bunch of lies (it is true indeed) that would justify a boycott. Not in my book, at least.
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Hmmm all your arguments would lead to a serious debate, like a lot I had and enjoyed in these forums and like one we had few months ago which, unfortunately, ended with you insulting me and others. I've told you this again. Too bad from me I begun again a conversation with you. I shouldn't have at all. Not because I disagree with you, that happens with many and it can be fun, but because I never forgive insults and bad manners.
I'm sorry.Last edited by Apopas; 28 December 2009, 07:33 PM.
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Once again, as a Linux consumer, I'm not paying for a Microsoft OS. Period. This is a Windows 7 advertisement, as it is, sorry Phoronix. Try reviewing some actual Linux netbooks sometime, or tell us all how to get the Microsoft tax reimbursed. They've been bribed to remove Linux from their models, so yes, I agree with the comments here that Asus is anti-Linux. Regardless of past transgressions though, I'd probably buy an Asus netbook, or any other brand, IF:
1) It doesn't come with Windows, or if it does it is easy to get the cash refunded back.
2) If it does come with Linux, it is CHEAPER than the same netbook with Windows. Otherwise, you're still being !@#$ed over. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if in this case the same cut of money is going to Microsoft.Last edited by Yfrwlf; 30 December 2009, 10:50 AM.
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Originally posted by Apopas View PostHmmm all your arguments would lead to a serious debate, like a lot I had and enjoyed in these forums and like one we had few months ago which, unfortunately, ended with you insulting me and others. I've told you this again. Too bad from me I begun again a conversation with you. I shouldn't have at all. Not because I disagree with you, that happens with many and it can be fun, but because I never forgive insults and bad manners.
I'm sorry.
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I'm not obviously refering to this specific post. Go back few months when we had a discussion about macs and pdfs with you saying that you wasted your time with us. I doubt you have even forgot it. If you feel you waste your time with me, I feel the same as well. Logical reaction.
Ofcourse you could mean something different than the obvious and I got it in the wrong way. This happens to forums often. But despite the reaction of the guys who had joined the "conversation" and obviously saw your comment as a direct insult, you didn't even try to tell an excuse or at least just "sorry I didn't mean that in the way you saw it guys".
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Originally posted by ApopasI'm not obviously refering to this specific post. Go back few months when we had a discussion about macs and pdfs with you saying that you wasted your time with us. I doubt you have even forgot it. If you feel you waste your time with me, I feel the same as well. Logical reaction.
Ofcourse you could mean something different than the obvious and I got it in the wrong way. This happens to forums often. But despite the reaction of the guys who had joined the "conversation" and obviously saw your comment as a direct insult, you didn't even try to tell an excuse or at least just "sorry I didn't mean that in the way you saw it guys".
Of course I remember that other discussion, more than anything else because I got extremely irritated, and I shouldn't. But yes, I was constantly provoked--not by you--and finally exploded. In any case, the worst I said was that I had wasted my time with you and implied that you were not aware of some user scenarios other than your own ("break your bubble, dude"). The funny thing is that I'm pretty sure the other person involved in that thread and myself don't keep any bad feelings against each other, while you do (funny because with you it was mostly an OKish conversation). I'm not going to give you any bullshit: I would've never apologized for saying what I said by then. Now, despite that I still don't consider it to be a grave insult, I don't want to hit your wall everytime you post something. So: sorry about that one.
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