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    Default They Say A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words

    Phoronix: They Say A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words

    ...but what about two pictures?Yes, that is an early build of a future version of the Phoronix Test Suite running natively atop Microsoft Windows 7. Of course, the Phoronix Test Suite already runs atop OpenSolaris, *BSD, and Mac OS X too.How come? How will this benefit the Linux community? It will all be answered shortly, but for now you can chime in with your thoughts or ideas in the forums...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=NzY3OA

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    You really have to stop using that Win 7 skin on your linux destop Michael, it's just wrong.

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    Default hummm

    Will it be faster on Windows ? lol

    I hope not.

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    WOW!

    So when can we expect first Win7 vs Fedora (Ubuntu) vs Snow Leopard benchmarks?

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    Reasons for this are obvious. It makes linux win :-). If windows is better on some benchmarks, developers will dig in and figure out why and improve linux. If linux wins, well, then people will use it :-).

    Objective benchmarks that are meaningful will drive development. And Windows will have a harder time keeping up, maybe.

    What this will do is create a fiercer competition between the OS's, and the end users will benefit.

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    I'm somewhat interested to see how the Nvidia propietary drivers score on Win7 vs. Linux. The recent interview suggested that they share 90+% of their code between platforms, and I'd love to see how well that actually is working for Nvidia with respect to cross-platform performance (and if there's any inherent bottlenecks in X or Windows).

    I've seen Wine benchmarks in the past that suggest that Wine+Linux can actually run windows applications faster than windows itself (I believe it was some of Anandtech's recent coverage, might've been TechReport). I could see using PTS to comparatively benchmark a few windows game demos against Wine+Demos in PTS (or full versions of the game if there's legal issues running benchmarks on demo versions of said games).
    Last edited by Veerappan; 11-05-2009 at 06:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veerappan View Post
    I'm somewhat interested to see how the Nvidia propietary drivers score on Win7 vs. Linux. The recent interview suggested that they share 90+% of their code between platforms, and I'd love to see how well that actually is working for Nvidia with respect to cross-platform performance (and if there's any inherent bottlenecks in X or Windows).

    I've seen Wine benchmarks in the past that suggest that Wine+Linux can actually run windows applications faster than windows itself (I believe it was some of Anandtech's recent coverage, might've been TechReport). I could see using PTS to comparatively benchmark a few windows game demos against Wine+Demos in PTS (or full versions of the game if there's legal issues running benchmarks on demo versions of said games).
    yea, this is due to GCC being a worse optimizing compiler compared to VC++. I'll bet the drivers are affected by this as well. Also, firefox+Wine used to be faster than native linux firefox. don't know if that's still the case

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veerappan View Post
    I'm somewhat interested to see how the Nvidia propietary drivers score on Win7 vs. Linux.
    I made some tests on win2k vs. linux with doom3 on a 7600GT back then. Linux was about 2-3 fps slower. Of course PTS could give some more varied on more current results - as well as results in other areas than GPU drivers.

    Doesn't seem to hold for mobile chips though, my linux performance was significantly worse than windows performance on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veerappan View Post
    I've seen Wine benchmarks in the past that suggest that Wine+Linux can actually run windows applications faster than windows itself
    Depends on the application. Some parts of Linux are in fact faster, even when mangled through an API wrapper. Others are slower. It's just a matter of picking an application that heavily uses the right APIs to draw any conclusion you like.

    Quote Originally Posted by garytr24 View Post
    Also, firefox+Wine used to be faster than native linux firefox. don't know if that's still the case
    still is, because firefox on linux often isn't compiled with PGO (Profile Guided Optimization). Most distributions don't care about the added work of automating profiling & recompiling, and last time I checked there were no official linux binaries with PGO.
    Enabling PGO gives roughly ~10% performance, about the difference between windows & linux builds.

    It's not that gcc is worse (as garytr24 suggested), it's just that PGO often isn't used because it's not trivial to do in an automated way.

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    Most importantly, we all want to see what are you hiding in that recycle bin

    I think somoone donated a Windows 7 copy to michael... and I think I understood who :P
    Last edited by bulletxt; 11-05-2009 at 06:24 PM.

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    Very interested to see the results.

    I regularly need to performance test Windows against Linux/UNIX for crypto speed and 3D rendering speeds for various clients. Access to PTS will make this a whole lot easier.

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