More Developers Want GNOME 3.0 Delayed
Phoronix: More Developers Want GNOME 3.0 Delayed
Yesterday we reported that the release of GNOME 3.0 could end up being delayed to the end of September after the Zeitgeist and GNOME Shell developers shared these key pieces of the GNOME 3.x desktop would likely not be ready in a stable state for the planned 3.0 release in March. Today more developers responsible for different parts of GNOME have voiced their views and the status of their code...
Am I the only one who thinks that KDE 5.0 and Gnome 4.0 should be the same and only?
Originally Posted by phoronix
The current situation does not look good. These major parallel efforts dilute a limited number of developers efforts. It creates far too intrusive alternatives on a far too low level.
I can live with in a world with two, five or or even 25 different spreadsheets, as they are end applications and don't necessarily inherit code from each other. Still, most distributions today have a Gnome one and a KDE one, for the wrong reason. Widgets...
Yes, I know the history behind both, and the C/C++ difference. But as both now have viable licences, the C/C++ is only a technical obstacle, in a world of engineers. Please, try to work for a merger.
It would be interesting to hear reasons for and against maintaining both.
Merger is impossible and undesirable. People usually choose one of the major two KDE and GNOME, because of their concept of usage. I like KDE for it usability, plenty of configuration options, and very easy of use.
GNOME for me is a desktop, that is hard to configure, even such a stupid thing like and icon change is horror. Gnome gives you an GTK file/save dialogue and user fuck yourself and find the icon in /usr/share/.... yourself. The is the typical GNOME approach. I don't know whether are GNOME users so genius, that this is not problem for them, or so idiot, that they should be protected from changing single icon. But this example demonstrates the general approach of GNOME to the user. That's why I completely hate it.
The idea that these two different desktops will merger and GNOME concept will prevail is my nightmare.
But. I respect, other users like GNOME approach, they like Gconf etc. So it is obvious, they would not be happy if KDE approach prevail. The only way how to solve this is some standardization efforts like freedesktop.org.
My personal opinion is, that KDE became technically superior above GNOME too much, and it is so configurable, that it can be configured to the shape of GNOME, that the whole GNOME project is waste of time. But, even if this statement was true, there would exist some GNOME, because this is opensource. In opensource there is not only one right way. Never.
Wow. I think somewhere in that outpour of uninformed hatred was a good point... somewhere.
Originally Posted by next9
Anyway, GNOME and KDE shouldn't merge NOT because one is superior to the other. But because they are different approaches to creating a usable desktop and both enrich the free software ecosystem.
I used KDE originally then gradually migrated to GNOME, because basically, 1.) I prefer GTK+ applications and 2.) I have better stuff to do than continually fiddle with my desktop settings which is what I found myself doing with KDE.
Could there be more integration between the two projects? Definitely. Is there unnecessary duplication, yes. Should both desktops switch to one toolkit... no, I don't think so.
It would be nice if applications were written modularly so only the UI needs replacing. If (for example) Kopete and Empathy both used the same libraries but only changed the UI, I think that would be a good use of resources. But each desktop changes the UI to reflect their chosen principles. It does happen that way sometimes, it needs to happen more.
Nope you are not the only one. To all your valid points I should also add that if linux is to gain % in marketshare it should have one desktop... For normal people OS is the GUI they see not the kernel that works under the gui.
Originally Posted by sabriah
Actually switching to one toolkit would be a great thing... since Qt can imitate the GNOME HIG and style it would be a great choice. It also has developer base and is in better shape then gtk+ development which is a bit lacking in manpower ...
Originally Posted by Kazade
All those "this is gtk+ app so it doesn't look good in kde" or "this is qt app so it sucks in gnome was a major of linux and to certain degree it still is .. It goes deeper then just theme so pointing users to use qtcurve or whatever theme that is made for both toolkits does not cut it. OK cancel vx Cancel OK ... filepickers print dialogs etc. etc.
and it goes even deeper with people who absolutely refuse to use qt aps in gnome or qt apps in kde ... Thanks to that we not only have 2 desktop environments but also numerous fragmentation in third party apps like music players, mediaplayers and so on... because you know whenever there is a good qt or gtk+ app someone has to do a clone using the other toolkit ...
Basing both kde ang gnome on the same toolkit and technology would be a blessing for linux, though yeah I know it's not going to happen.
Maybe we should simplify everything and just have one distro, one set of drivers, and one kernel. Hey the People working on BSDs are wasting there time duplicating everything. Oh wait you can get all of that great stuff in Mac OS X, why don't you just migrate to that if you don't want duplication.
Originally Posted by sabriah
Also to all those people shitting on Gnome please start your own thread, its nice that you think Gnome is destroying the world, but can you at least do it in your own thread instead of just coming in here and wasting everyone's time with you rabble.
I am no KDE "fan", but I will not go in to KDE topics and start trolling just because I think what they are working is a waste of time and they suck or something. Really I couldn't care less what KDE does, but I do still want them around just because it helps push Gnome.
Actually, I would assume that to mean the nouveau 3d driver for nvidia hardware which Red Hat is also pushing the development of.
Originally Posted by phoronix
The Ati/AMD counterpart is already more or less ready except for R800 - and that is a game of chasing the newest hardware that will probably continue where after hardware release, support for it will be added, some times sooner, sometimes later and maybe even some times before it arrives.
Red Hat has a number of developers working on Intel, ATI (Dave Airlie works on Radeon driver and is the kernel DRM sub system maintainer) and Nvidia (Ben Skeggs works on Nouveau) drivers.
Originally Posted by bugmenot
Red Hat also has a considerable amount of people working on GNOME Shell itself including interaction designers. With parallel development of Xorg drivers and GNOME Shell, hopefully things will just click.
KDE's approach is the unix way. You have lots of small little 'modules' (kpart). Every single one is doing one job. You achieve astonishing results putting those kparts together (just like piping some output of some app into another).
GNOME' approach is the windows way. It was meant as a windows95 clone. Including a bad corba implementation and an unhealty 'options are confusing' and 'hide everything' mentality.
I wish, Phoronix would stop to be so freaking gnome centric.
The poll showed: most people use KDE. Only phoronix still ignores it.
Which poll? GNOME is by far the most used Linux desktop... not that it matters at all. Anyway, there was a KDE news post only 2 days ago.. I'm not really sure what you are getting at.
Originally Posted by energyman
I frankly find it incredibly sad that supporters of one OSS project would flame and abuse another. It's hardly in the spirit of it is it?