Well, if in half a year the open drivers will have catched up to Catalyst, then of course not. But somehow I suspect they won't make it in 6 months. Probably in 2 years maybe (if ever).
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Depends what you mean by "caught up". The open drivers will probably never catch up to fglrx in *all* respects, but they should get to the point where they run more or less the same apps with decent performance.
Most users seem to feel that the open drivers are better than fglrx on 3xx-5xx already for everything except 3D. On the 3D side, the two main deficiencies are lack of GLSL support and a bunch of missing extensions, mostly of which were blocked waiting for GEM/TTM (and, indirectly, KMS). Once those areas are improved, I think the open source driver support will be "close enough" for nearly all users.
Nobody knows what the schedule will be, but I expect it will be closer to 6 months than 2 years.Test signature
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Originally posted by bridgmanNobody knows what the schedule will be, but I expect it will be closer to 6 months than 2 years.
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Well, then the main criticism remains valid. You can't tell users that it doesn't matter that their X1950 (for example) was dropped from Catalyst because they can use the open drivers. That would imply that all owners of such a GPU don't run 3D games/applications (Wine or native). These cards are slow as it is by modern standards. Losing additional 3D performance due to the open drivers totally kills them off, even though they are not *that* weak. An X1950 can actually run some modern games quite well.
Of course you want to sell new cards (and with NVidia's GT300 looming in the horizon you will have major problems doing so ), but you can't claim that dropping support from Catalyst doesn't matter :P You can tell us that it's a necessary evil, but *not* that it doesn't matter.Last edited by RealNC; 12 October 2009, 01:28 PM.
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Originally posted by yotambien View PostThe lower bound has already been exceeded. Catalyst 9.3, the last driver supporting R300-R500 cards was released on 27th of March 2009. Six months was two weeks ago.
I read the previous posts as "2 years from now", perhaps that was incorrect.
Originally posted by RealNC View PostWell, then the main criticism remains valid. You can't tell users that it doesn't matter that their X1950 (for example) was dropped from Catalyst because they can use the open drivers. That would imply that all owners of such a GPU don't run 3D games/applications (Wine or native). These cards are slow as it is by modern standards. Losing additional 3D performance due to the open drivers totally kills them off, even though they are not *that* weak. An X1950 can actually run some modern games quite well.
Originally posted by RealNC View PostOf course you want to sell new cards (and with NVidia's GT300 looming in the horizon you will have major problems doing so ), but you can't claim that dropping support from Catalyst doesn't matter :P You can tell us that it's a necessary evil, but *not* that it doesn't matter.Last edited by bridgman; 12 October 2009, 01:40 PM.Test signature
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I'll drop into the discussion and say that if people remember the original r200 driver days, they were basically the fastest drivers (open source or otherwise) around - albeit with a few bugs. And they were open source. So being open source doesn't mean "slower". Just wanted to clear that one up.
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Originally posted by bridgmanOriginally posted by yotambienThe lower bound has already been exceeded. Catalyst 9.3, the last driver supporting R300-R500 cards was released on 27th of March 2009. Six months was two weeks ago.
I read the previous posts as "2 years from now", perhaps that was incorrect.
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The problem is that measuring from "when support was dropped" is kind of a vague thing as well. Measuring from the last release that *did* include support is wrong, since support was not dropped then.
Measuring from the April catalyst driver is an option, since that's where the support was first dropped, but measuring from June or July probably makes more sense, since that is when the first quarterly update would have happened. Even that is hard to quantify, since what we're doing for Windows is "critical app and security fixes", not adding support for new OS and SP versions, so even ignoring market share differences and applying the same effort to Linux would not give the kind of timely X and kernel support that everyone wants to use as a baseline. Linux relies on open source drivers rather than ABI compatibility, so that's the model we're using for ongoing 3xx-5xx/rs6xx support.
The concept of "today" seems easy by comparisonLast edited by bridgman; 12 October 2009, 03:16 PM.Test signature
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Originally posted by Qaridariumthe Ubuntu9.10 internal driver Radeon is full featured there is no need for the FGLRX/catalyst driver.
in fakt AMD drop the FGLRX support in 9-3 for your Cart "R300"
Where it really falls down is using an app like google earth - maybe ~10fps if lucky. This is considerably slower than my old intel 82855 igp on a laptop that i also have Ubuntu that dates back to 2003 .
Should we expect a big push from the open source driver in terms of performance, or throw it away and buy a new laptop lol.
Can see AMD's point of dropping support for older devices, but if would be nice if they released the binary driver as source for older devices...maybe this would give the open source guys a hand
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