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Thread: New machine freezing.

  1. #1
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    Default New machine freezing.

    Hi.

    I recently built a new machine, with the following:

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    BIOSTAR TpowerX58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
    Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache
    OCZ Platinum 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
    SeaSonic S12 Energy Plus SS-550HT 550W ATX12V V2.3
    Powercolor Radeon x1950 256mb.
    The machine's unstable. The BIOS has a copy of memtest86 modified
    to support the Core i7 but with all six sticks of ram installed,
    it'll freeze after a few hours of testing.

    At this point, having tested just about everything, I think it's
    either the motherboard, cpu or a thermal problem.

    My notes:

    Code:
    Power supply assumed to be good. Voltages in BIOS appear
    to be correct and stable.
    
    Removed CPU/heatsink. Cleaned stock thermal compound with
    Arcticlean solution. Applied 'Zalman Grease' thermal compound.
    
    Idle temperature:
    
      CPU             30 - 35C
      Northbridge     50C
      Ambient         25C
    
    Tested ram sticks 1 .. 2 in slots 1 .. 2, 7.5 hours, no problem.
    Tested ram sticks 1 .. 3 in slots 1 .. 2, 7.5 hours, no problem.
    Tested ram sticks 1 .. 4 in slots 1 .. 2, 7.5 hours, no problem.
    Tested ram sticks 1 .. 5 in slots 1 .. 2, 7.5 hours, no problem.
    Tested ram sticks 1 .. 6 in slots 1 .. 2, 7.5 hours, no problem.
    Tested ram sticks 1 .. 6 in slots 1 .. 6, page fault after 4 hours.
    Tested ram sticks 1 .. 2 in slots 5 .. 6, 5 hours, no problem.
    
    Suspicious of slot 4. Page fault occurred when accessing
    8gb - 10gb. If memory is arranged sequentially from slot
    1 .. 6, slot 4 contains the 8gb - 10gb range when using
    all six sticks.
    
    Tested ram sticks 1 .. 4 in slots 3 .. 6, 12 hours, no problem. Shows what I know...
    My main questions are:

    What sort of temperatures should I be seeing from the CPU,
    northbridge, etc?

    Am I going to need additional cooling with all six sticks
    of ram in there? Currently using Zalman Grease compound on
    the CPU and three case fans (2 x 80mm and 1 x 120mm). Case
    seems to have decent airflow.

    Anybody got any other ideas? I'm at a loss as to how to
    get this machine to stay alive, otherwise.

  2. #2
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    My guess is that one of your ram sticks, once it gets up to temp, starts exhibiting the issues you are having now.

    or

    Your using a older BIOS that does not have the microcode updates to fix (workaround) errata in the i7. Early i7 BIOS's were plagued with issues.

  3. #3
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    Hi.

    I've been testing the board today, running all six sticks.

    Booted off a ubuntu 9.10 live cd and am watching the output
    of 'sensors'.

    Running prime95 with eight threads going pushed the cores
    to an average temp of 80C. The machine crashed after about
    an hour of that.

    I've got the case open now with some enormous 40w floor fan
    pointed at the exposed motherboard and the temperature output
    running prime95 has been:

    Code:
    coretemp-isa-0000
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 0:      +79.0C  (high = +80.0C, crit = +100.0C)  
    
    coretemp-isa-0001
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 1:      +78.0C  (high = +80.0C, crit = +100.0C)  
    
    coretemp-isa-0002
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 2:      +77.0C  (high = +80.0C, crit = +100.0C)  
    
    coretemp-isa-0003
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 3:      +75.0C  (high = +80.0C, crit = +100.0C)  
    
    coretemp-isa-0004
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 4:      +78.0C  (high = +80.0C, crit = +100.0C)  
    
    coretemp-isa-0005
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 5:      +78.0C  (high = +80.0C, crit = +100.0C)  
    
    coretemp-isa-0006
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 6:      +75.0C  (high = +80.0C, crit = +100.0C)  
    
    coretemp-isa-0007
    Adapter: ISA adapter
    Core 7:      +75.0C  (high = +80.0C, crit = +100.0C)
    ... for a few hours now.

    I have actually updated the BIOS to the latest version
    available from Biostar.

    Tests continue...

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    My guess is that the northbridge which is on the cpu on that is getting bit too toasty.

    Try to turn off all the hyperthreading in bios and I bet it passes the test because it will give some dead space to soak up that memory controller heat.

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    Try tweaking your options, memory latencies, and voltages within the BIOS. You should ge a nice overlock if that nehalem is D0 revision. Install XP and go about tdebugging the system with apps like coretemp, superpi, windows memtest, and prime95. Put a 120MM fan on your sticks, and additional fan around the cpu socket where all of PWM circuit resides. MX-2 is a great thermal paste. That PSU sounds cheapo, I would get a corsair, ocz, silverstone, or pc power & cooling.

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    Hello. I'd forgotten I'd posted here.

    It turned out to be the BIOS setting the wrong
    voltage for the RAM. The ram was specified as 1.65v
    but was only receiving 1.5v. At high memory load,
    with all six sticks inserted, things would die.

    With that out of the way, I've been running the
    machine at heavy load for weeks without issue.

  7. #7
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    That's normal when you buy OC ram, then you have to adjust voltage manually.

  8. #8

    Default New machine freezing

    I think:

    FF means the mobo has initialised the CPU so ok there. Dx is about your ram so would check everything around that: seating, heating, power settings timings,....

    Did you change the OC jumper on the board?

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