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    Phoronix: AMD Dropping R300-R500 Support In Catalyst Driver

    Beginning next month with the Catalyst 9.4 release, support for the R300/400/500 generations of graphics processors will be dropped from AMD's mainline ATI driver. In a move they hope will allow them to focus their efforts on newer and upcoming graphics processors, the mainline Catalyst driver on both Linux and Windows will stop supporting cards older than the Radeon HD 2000 series. Linux customers affected will be encouraged to use their open-source driver stack (xf86-video-ati or xf86-video-radeonhd and Mesa) or stay with the Catalyst 9.3 driver.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=13559

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    A bit early, or? Some weeks ago several shops still sold DX9 cards here and now no more fresh drivers? As long, as they at least bring updates for new API versions...

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    I own a AGP X1600 pro!

    I knew it this was coming! Second time for me...

    This time at least I'll still have a better opensource driver to play with.

    I've changed to the opensource driver almost a year ago, but its no way ready for many users.

    I can't even playback a real 1280x720p x264 without a frame dropping here and there.

    This is very bad, bad news.

    It is becoming very clear (at least for me) that ATI opensource development is losing momentum.

    Should I still believe it?
    Last edited by hobbes; 03-05-2009 at 12:51 AM.

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    Looks like my switching to xf86-video-ati after Arch Linux dropped support for Catalyst wasn't such a bad idea after all.

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    Angry That SUCKS!

    This absolutely blows. My X1950XTX still does not work properly under Linux, I can't get a multimonitor setup going the way I need under Linux. I also have a X2400 series card for another monitor so what does that mean - now only one monitor will work with the official driver which is connected to the newer but weaker card while the rest are now dead !

    On top of that my laptop also has a X1700 which is less than two years old. Are you saying it looses support too? Less than two years. I am furious. So what, when Winblow$ 7 comes along, it won't have drivers for it as well? I can't stand Vista but XP doesn't render text & GUI correctly on my internal screen (high dpi).

    Just great, both Winblow$ and Linux won't have official support for my two main video cards.

    I had enough of AMD/ATI dragging their feet. I was thrilled when AMD decided to open up the card specs and therefore continued to support them, but the mediocre driver that I had to put up with for the last 2 years and now this is the breaking point. If I could go back, I would buy NVidia all the way as I should have.

    AMD/ATI I hope you get the message.

    Signed,
    Royally pissed off customer

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    Quote Originally Posted by pawstar View Post
    This absolutely blows. My X1950XTX still does not work properly under Linux, I can't get a multimonitor setup going the way I need under Linux. I also have a X2400 series card for another monitor so what does that mean - now only one monitor will work with the official driver which is connected to the newer but weaker card while the rest are now dead !

    On top of that my laptop also has a X1700 which is less than two years old. Are you saying it looses support too? Less than two years. I am furious. So what, when Winblow$ 7 comes along, it won't have drivers for it as well? I can't stand Vista but XP doesn't render text & GUI correctly on my internal screen (high dpi).

    Just great, both Winblow$ and Linux won't have official support for my two main video cards.

    I had enough of AMD/ATI dragging their feet. I was thrilled when AMD decided to open up the card specs and therefore continued to support them, but the mediocre driver that I had to put up with for the last 2 years and now this is the breaking point. If I could go back, I would buy NVidia all the way as I should have.

    AMD/ATI I hope you get the message.

    Signed,
    Royally pissed off customer
    it doesn't 'loose support' The old drivers will continue to work. Or will the windows driver stiop working with the release of 9.5? No! Nobody forces you to update the drivers. And with win7 your hardware is unsupported anyway - so what are you complaining about?

    And linux? Well - the opensource activities happened for a reason. You want better opensource drivers? Then sit down on your ass and start coding.

    People like this make me sick.

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    And linux? Well - the opensource activities happened for a reason. You want better opensource drivers? Then sit down on your ass and start coding.

    Actually I would not think it's coding what is needed (well that is needed, but end users can't typically code). Anyways most people do not have the ability to do that.

    What is needed from most people is going to be feedback.

    For example:

    Say you have a video card that freezes when you try to do 3D. Who is going to help you fix it if you sit on your hands and don't file reports or do anything about it?

    NOBODY.

    NOBODY IS GOING TO FIX ANYTHING IF THEY ARE UNAWARE OF IT.


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    What is needed is the ability for people to run lots of tests on different hardware with the same exact software setup. So that developers can know easier which hardware is the problem and stuff like that.

    They don't even need to be particularly good bug reports. Numbers make up for it.

    So say you get 300 bug reports from different people. They are shitty bug reports, but you know the user and the hardware. Well if 200 of those people are having problems with the same chipset on their cards... then that helps to narrow down the problem significantly, right?


    SOOOOO.....

    What I am getting at is this:

    Is there any Live Linux distribution out there right now for testing video hardware?

    I want a Live Linux cdrom that is built with the latest and greatest open source drivers and comes with a bunch of benchmarking and hardware testing tools installed. So that a individual can download the image, drop it on a USB key or on a CDROM and then just engage in a bunch of testing.

    Something quick and easy that does not require a bunch of Linux skills or require installing software over a existing system. Something even a typical Windows user can handle.


    If that does not exist then I want to make one. I want to take Phoronix's benchmark tools and make a live CD/USB Key with the latest and greatest X Windows and OpenGL drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drag View Post
    Actually I would not think it's coding what is needed (well that is needed, but end users can't typically code). Anyways most people do not have the ability to do that.

    What is needed from most people is going to be feedback.

    For example:

    Say you have a video card that freezes when you try to do 3D. Who is going to help you fix it if you sit on your hands and don't file reports or do anything about it?

    NOBODY.

    NOBODY IS GOING TO FIX ANYTHING IF THEY ARE UNAWARE OF IT.


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    What is needed is the ability for people to run lots of tests on different hardware with the same exact software setup. So that developers can know easier which hardware is the problem and stuff like that.

    They don't even need to be particularly good bug reports. Numbers make up for it.

    So say you get 300 bug reports from different people. They are shitty bug reports, but you know the user and the hardware. Well if 200 of those people are having problems with the same chipset on their cards... then that helps to narrow down the problem significantly, right?


    SOOOOO.....

    What I am getting at is this:

    Is there any Live Linux distribution out there right now for testing video hardware?

    I want a Live Linux cdrom that is built with the latest and greatest open source drivers and comes with a bunch of benchmarking and hardware testing tools installed. So that a individual can download the image, drop it on a USB key or on a CDROM and then just engage in a bunch of testing.

    Something quick and easy that does not require a bunch of Linux skills or require installing software over a existing system. Something even a typical Windows user can handle.


    If that does not exist then I want to make one. I want to take Phoronix's benchmark tools and make a live CD/USB Key with the latest and greatest X Windows and OpenGL drivers.
    That wouldn't be a bad idea. I'm all for testing drivers (which I already do), but having to build them in order to run the latest code can be a pain. If users can get a hold of a small image that is constantly updated with the major changes in open source drivers, I think it would provide greater incentive for people to become sort of beta testers for the drivers. After all, people want functional drivers (I would hope).

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    Quote Originally Posted by drag View Post
    Actually I would not think it's coding what is needed (well that is needed, but end users can't typically code). Anyways most people do not have the ability to do that.

    What is needed from most people is going to be feedback.

    For example:

    Say you have a video card that freezes when you try to do 3D. Who is going to help you fix it if you sit on your hands and don't file reports or do anything about it?

    NOBODY.

    NOBODY IS GOING TO FIX ANYTHING IF THEY ARE UNAWARE OF IT.


    ---------------------------------


    What is needed is the ability for people to run lots of tests on different hardware with the same exact software setup. So that developers can know easier which hardware is the problem and stuff like that.

    They don't even need to be particularly good bug reports. Numbers make up for it.

    So say you get 300 bug reports from different people. They are shitty bug reports, but you know the user and the hardware. Well if 200 of those people are having problems with the same chipset on their cards... then that helps to narrow down the problem significantly, right?


    SOOOOO.....

    What I am getting at is this:

    Is there any Live Linux distribution out there right now for testing video hardware?

    I want a Live Linux cdrom that is built with the latest and greatest open source drivers and comes with a bunch of benchmarking and hardware testing tools installed. So that a individual can download the image, drop it on a USB key or on a CDROM and then just engage in a bunch of testing.

    Something quick and easy that does not require a bunch of Linux skills or require installing software over a existing system. Something even a typical Windows user can handle.


    If that does not exist then I want to make one. I want to take Phoronix's benchmark tools and make a live CD/USB Key with the latest and greatest X Windows and OpenGL drivers.
    We will have an answer for you needs soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by energyman View Post
    it doesn't 'loose support' The old drivers will continue to work. Or will the windows driver stop working with the release of 9.5? No! Nobody forces you to update the drivers. And with win7 your hardware is unsupported anyway - so what are you complaining about?
    What makes you say my hardware is unsupported? I've got equipment which can run vista which is far more resource intensive than Win7. The only problem will be the video card. You just can't expect one to go and buy a new one after 2 years of just spending more than $500 on one can you?

    The current drives do not work - they never had under linux, so they will not continue to work - where is my working video overlay, where is working rotation, where is working multi-monitor and above all where is the stability. So many bugs with the later r500 models (i.e. what I have) that its not even funny. Coincidentally, 9.2 borked and I had no video output on my system. I had to go back to 9.1.

    I cannot and will not remain with an old os - and why should I. It DOES LOOSE SUPPORT because newer Xorg and Kernel upgrades will bork the driver. Maybe you can't seem to understand that some of us need the new features that come out - even be it just stabilized support for other hardware in later releases of the kernel.

    Quote Originally Posted by energyman View Post
    And linux? Well - the opensource activities happened for a reason. You want better opensource drivers? Then sit down on your ass and start coding.
    Why should I? I paid good money for a card and I expect the company who got my $$$ to support the product they sold me. I've got far more important things to do than to screw around with writing my own drivers.

    I've been hearing about the promise of opensource drivers for too long. That carrot-on-a-stick routine is way too tiring now. Already waiting 2 years and now told to wait even more for a working driver is not acceptable business practice IMO.

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