It's Easy To Switch Between Upstart & Systemd Right Now On Ubuntu 15.04

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Phoronix: It's Easy To Switch Between Upstart & Systemd Right Now On Ubuntu 15.04

While Ubuntu 15.04 is working towards migrating over to using systemd by default, it's still using Upstart at present. However, both Upstart and systemd are installed by default with current Ubuntu 15.04 builds...

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[dungeon]

Same is on Debian for some time, but of course switching between sysv and systemd

[andyprough]

So - if all it requires is one command line switch at boot - what's the problem with offering a couple of alternatives?

[nanonyme]

So - if all it requires is one command line switch at boot - what's the problem with offering a couple of alternatives?

It's mostly about defaults and what can be relied on to exist by developers

[gnufreex]

Switching back after some time will be tricky. When non-systemd components start to bitrot.

I am ok with systemd as long it doesn't forces gummibot and networkd on me. If it tries that, I am off to Gentoo.

[rtfazeberdee]

systemd only forces one thing on you

Switching back after some time will be tricky. When non-systemd components start to bitrot.

I am ok with systemd as long it doesn't forces gummibot and networkd on me. If it tries that, I am off to Gentoo.

and thats journald, everything else is optional. its more how your distro or you configure your system

[Delgarde]

So - if all it requires is one command line switch at boot - what's the problem with offering a couple of alternatives?

It requires one command line switch now, while all the doubled-up infrastructure is in place to maintain both. Nobody wants to maintain that long-term... it's only sustainable for one release cycle, maybe two at the most. Beyond that, the non-default option will gradually bit-rot, because nobody cares enough to keep it working.

[nanonyme]

It requires one command line switch now, while all the doubled-up infrastructure is in place to maintain both. Nobody wants to maintain that long-term... it's only sustainable for one release cycle, maybe two at the most. Beyond that, the non-default option will gradually bit-rot, because nobody cares enough to keep it working.

I'd expect it to be used in Debian indefinitely since they actually want to support multiple inits

[gigaplex]

I'd expect it to be used in Debian indefinitely since they actually want to support multiple inits

I thought they couldn't come to a consensus on that vote, which is why Devuan forked.

[GreatEmerald]

I'd expect it to be used in Debian indefinitely since they actually want to support multiple inits

They need to support multiple inits in jessie for smooth upgrades. After that, no more multiple inits, aside from volunteer efforts (and everyone hates doing anything with the ancient sysv scripts, so I don't expect much effort there; while ports will be moving to OpenRC, which uses different scripts).

Check this for the summary of the whole discussion: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showt...-Wright-format