Did you notice that KDE4 is not in sid but in experimental? I don't think that too many users are trying it with Debian yet. The better/newer packages are for Kubuntu usually.
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Originally posted by Linux Community Forum SaboteurI didn't notice that MANY packages from KDE4 do not even have a bug report page of their own.
Originally posted by ConspiracistSo we assume that NO bugs have been found in the KDE4 version of the package.
Originally posted by Muffin ManThe comment above makes it clear that Debian is LYING when it says that large numbers of bugs are keeping KDE4 out of the Lenny release at the end of the year.
Originally posted by /dev/nullYou mean that Debian doesn't even try to fix real bugs,... just packaging bugs,.... then there is absolutely no excuse from why Debian is so often soooooo out of date,.... except that they just want to be out of date,....
http://packages.debian.org/sid/allpackages (do you find any? - and remember that the freeze already has begun)Last edited by d2kx; 28 June 2008, 08:00 AM.
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Originally posted by d2kxWe assume that it is too early to install them and to report bugs.
Why did you ignore all the pages that are already available for KDE4 bugs,... let me repeat them for you:
KDE4 bugs according to Debian:
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(1 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable (KDE4 bug)
(2 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable (KDE4 bugs)
(1 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable (KDE4 bug)
(3 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable (KDE4 bugs)
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
(0 bugs) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgre...;dist=unstable
There are actually 7 bugs. These are all the bugs that Debian knows about for KDE4.
So basically Debian can't even list the KDE4 bugs that they claim keep KDE4 from making it into Lenny.
You know,... that is not a good look,....
Not a good look at all.
Originally posted by d2kxIf a software is not finished yet, you have to report bugs to upstream, not to Debian.
Zero,.... right?Last edited by Jade; 28 June 2008, 10:10 AM.
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Originally posted by Vadi View PostWhat are you talking about?
There is no KDE 4 end-user version. Nada, it does not exist. No normal users are supposed to be using KDE 4.
KDE 3 is included, so where is the problem?
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Originally posted by Jade View PostSo does anyone else think that Debian's actions regarding KDE4 look very very suspicious?
From what it sounds like, KDE4 will appear in Sid (as an option doubtless, not the only KDE) a few days after Lenny is released, to eventually become part of whatever Lenny's successor is. And it's already in Experimental for those who really like to live on the edge. I see no problem at all.Last edited by borgus; 28 June 2008, 09:53 PM.
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I disagree. The fact that Red Hat/Fedora is worse does not change anything.
KDE4 does not have to obsolete KDE 3.5.9.
In the past two version of KDE have been offered and you can choose either. Although in the past eg KDE 3 would run all the KDE 2 apps so there was no demand for KDE2 to stick around.
Debian still has the QT2 libraries for older apps. Similarly, it now should have QT2, QT3 and QT4.
Debian is meant to be about setting up and packaging such arrangements.
So nothing you have said changes the fact that it appears that Debian can't even list the KDE4 bugs that they claim keep KDE4 from making it into Lenny.
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My apologies for bumping an old thread, but some if these accusations are simply absurd.
The Default CD1 Desktop is based on package popularity and only aimed at newbies (only one app for every task). Full/stock GNOME is pulled by a different dummy package. No politics involved at all.
Shipping both KDE3 and KDE4 was never an option. Debian simply hasn't enough people to maintain/patch/secure this following all quality guidelines/rules that come with "stable".
KDE isn't just QT (and most QT4 run libs are already included).
KDE4.0 was incomplete. (resulting in missing dependencies when upgrading from Etch)
Not all architectures are already supported either.
KDE4.1 is still (even today) in "experimental".
Debian doesn't (and never did) accept bug reports against packages in experimental.
PS: If you really care about new (buggy) software, use testing/unstable or backports.
Stable is meant to be rock solid and can't afford such risks.Last edited by jensz; 30 July 2008, 05:53 AM.
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