Russ Allbery Resigns From The Debian TC

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Russ Allbery Resigns From The Debian TC

There's yet another resignation from the Debian camp. This time, Russ Allbery of the Debian Technical Committee has stepped away from those duties...

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTg0MjM

[Trevelyan]

Colin Watson has also resigned from the TC

Seems like an exodus...

https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/11/msg00052.html

[Sundance]

You know things have gotten pretty bad when even Russ can't take it anymore. This is a sad day indeed. I hope the anti-systemd trolls are happy. :/

[rikkinho]

no one is happy

You know things have gotten pretty bad when even Russ can't take it anymore. This is a sad day indeed. I hope the anti-systemd trolls are happy. :/

no one is happy, wait redhat is happy

[johnc]

no one is happy, wait redhat is happy

When you want to destroy something and you recognize that you have a chisel in-hand, what do you do? Hammer it in harder and harder of course. Just keep pushing it. A chisel divides, after all.

It doesn't seem like Upstart caused this many problems.

[madjr]

Even Linus doesn't hate on systemd anymore:

DebConf14: QA with Linus Torvalds: http://youtu.be/5PmHRSeA2c8

So yes is true a lot of the haters are the less technical that don't fully understand how good it will become.

[drspinderwalf]

Before this turns into another hatefest I'll paste this here:

I promise you ? 18 years from now, it will not matter what init Debian chose in 2014. It will probably barely matter in 3 years. This is not key to our goals of making the world a better place. Jessie will still boot. I say that even though my system runs out of memory every few days because systemd-logind has a mysterious bug [4]. It will be fixed. I say that even though I don?t know what init system it will use, or how much choice there will be. I say that because it is simply true. We are Debian. We will make it work, one way or another.

from http://changelog.complete.org/archiv...-too-seriously

[gens]

So yes is true a lot of the haters are the less technical that don't fully understand how good it will become.

please do stop saying this
it's the only reason i post in systemd threads

i had to explain many times to systemd proponents (note no "lovers" or "fanboys") things like cgroups, process starting/tracking, IPC and such
all i got in return was quotes from pid eins
and many are plain wrong;
examples "sysvinit can't start things in parallel", "systemd process monitoring is all you need for servers", "cgroups/systemd are good for security", "zero-copy this that"
and many more (my favourite is "sysvinit can't set the XDG_DIR environment variable")

there are good things about systemd but there are also bad things about systemd
notable bad thing about systemd is the design, and that won't ever change
no need to call those who say it's bad "less technical" just because those who are for systemd can quote misinformation from pid eins

that is all from me (the 3 people who like to yell "you are wrong here is a quote", don't as i won't reply)

[madjr]

please do stop saying this
it's the only reason i post in systemd threads

there are good things about systemd but there are also bad things about systemd
notable bad thing about systemd is the design, and that won't ever change
no need to call those who say it's bad "less technical" just because those who are for systemd can quote misinformation from pid eins

that is all from me (the 3 people who like to yell "you are wrong here is a quote", don't as i won't reply)

I said a lot, not all.

And a lot come from these sources:

systemd Haters Busted | LINUX Unplugged 57: http://youtu.be/UXGuxoY9i-Y

(Min 35+)

[NotMine999]

Did You Bother To Read....

You know things have gotten pretty bad when even Russ can't take it anymore. This is a sad day indeed. I hope the anti-systemd trolls are happy. :/

...Russ Allbery's post on the Debian mailing lists. He clearly took SystemD out of the question:

We've made two decisions recently related to systemd, both of which I
misjudged. By that, I don't mean the decisions themselves (my feelings on
that are more complicated, and I'm not going to get into that here), but
the way that they would be received and the ways they could be
interpreted. If I'd made either decision knowing that, it would be one
thing, but the reaction caught me by surprise in both cases, even though
in retrospect I should have recognized the problems.

What I gathered from his very long post is this is clearly spelled out in his summary:

The short summary of what follows:

* TC work and related conversations have become a large part of my work in
Debian. This seems conceptually wrong to me. It's also not very fun.

* Nearly every TC decision decision is now very fraught, and expressing
those decisions, at least in the current framework, requires more skill,
care, attention, and caution than I currently have mental or emotional
resources to do. I am not doing work that I can be proud of, which
means I either need to invest more resources or step down, and I don't
have the additional resources at this time to invest.

* It's no longer clear to me that my work on the technical committee is
actually helping the project as a whole. I believe that means I need to
either propose improvements or step down so that someone else who
believes in the work can pick it up, and I have not come up with any
convincing improvements.

So I guess in response to Sundance all I can say is this: "Haters gonna hate..."

So why don't we all focus on why Russ stepped down?

Turning this entire post into yet another mindless, senseless, unproductive, mud-slinging SystemD debate makes Phoronix no better than Slashdot.