Facebook's Hack Language Making Progress To Advance PHP

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Facebook's Hack Language Making Progress To Advance PHP

Earlier this year Facebook launched the Hack language powered by their HipHop Virtual Machine (HHVM) and being based off PHP. Good progress is being made on enhancing the language with interest in the project continuing to grow inside and outside of Facebook...

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTgxOTY

[uid313]

I wish PHP had better support for Unicode.
It can be a problem with UTF-8 depending on if its with BOM or without BOM.

I also wish there were decorators.

[Decorator] // C# style decorator
public void Foo() { }

@Decorator // Java style decorator
public void Foo() { }

Another thing PHP is lacking is multiple inheritance, so a class can implement more than one interface.

For all PHP programmers who want to write good code:

http://www.phptherightway.com/

http://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-1/

http://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-2/

The bad things about PHP:

http://www.phpwtf.org/

[Guest]

Another thing PHP is lacking is multiple inheritance, so a class can implement more than one interface.

php already can implement more than one interface i.e.
class LoadUserData implements FixtureInterface, ContainerAwareInterface

http://symfony.com/doc/current/bundles/DoctrineFixturesBundle/index.html

The bad things about PHP:
http://www.phpwtf.org/

This list is not complete. I saw longer list somewhere. The thing is that all of these things doesn't matter in real world. I'm living with them everyday.

The real php problem from my POV is speed - lack of speed. C++ hello world web application in cppcms is 30 times faster than hello world in symfony framework.

[BSDude]

I wish PHP had better support for Unicode.
It can be a problem with UTF-8 depending on if its with BOM or without BOM.

I also wish there were decorators.

[Decorator] // C# style decorator
public void Foo() { }

@Decorator // Java style decorator
public void Foo() { }

Another thing PHP is lacking is multiple inheritance, so a class can implement more than one interface.

For all PHP programmers who want to write good code:

http://www.phptherightway.com/

http://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-1/

http://www.php-fig.org/psr/psr-2/

The bad things about PHP:
http://www.phpwtf.org/

Thank you for the references!

[TheOne]

The real php problem from my POV is speed - lack of speed. C++ hello world web application in cppcms is 30 times faster than hello world in symfony framework.

That just means Symfony is too bloated for simple tasks...

[nanonyme]

php already can implement more than one interface i.e.
class LoadUserData implements FixtureInterface, ContainerAwareInterface

http://symfony.com/doc/current/bundles/DoctrineFixturesBundle/index.html

This list is not complete. I saw longer list somewhere. The thing is that all of these things doesn't matter in real world. I'm living with them everyday.

The real php problem from my POV is speed - lack of speed. C++ hello world web application in cppcms is 30 times faster than hello world in symfony framework.

Makes me wish Python had gone with an interface-based design rather than MI as well. MI is just begging for trouble

[Guest]

That just means Symfony is too bloated for simple tasks...

Not really. There are many cross language benchmarks - here is a first result from google search

http://blog.famzah.net/2010/07/01/cpp-vs-python-vs-perl-vs-php-performance-benchmark/

php 5.3 is 5461% slower than c++ here...

I'm afraid that it's the biggest problem that will be never solved, because introducing jit will not help here much.

[caligula]

Not really. There are many cross language benchmarks - here is a first result from google search

http://blog.famzah.net/2010/07/01/cpp-vs-python-vs-perl-vs-php-performance-benchmark/

php 5.3 is 5461% slower than c++ here...

I'm afraid that it's the biggest problem that will be never solved, because introducing jit will not help here much.

In real world you'd use cache and do demanding stuff with other services or plugins.

[Guest]

In real world you'd use cache

Cache is not the answer in many cases.

and do demanding stuff with other services or plugins.

That's because php sucks in speed.

[caligula]

Cache is not the answer in many cases.



That's because php sucks in speed.

No, the idea is that you use the best tool for the job. PHP is the best tool for coordinating things and embedded C plugins are good for performance stuff.