Lennart Poettering On The Open-Source Community: A Sick Place To Be In

[Naib]

asdfblah, nobody will have a discussion with you. You just disqualify completely with your first paragraph. Let me just say this: Red Hat has done an awful lot for Linux. In fact, without Red Hat, there'd most likely be no Linux as we know it. Without you, it'd just be one less person complaining about stuff they put no work or money into.

so you are not only representing everyone but deciding to dismiss someone view based simply on specific content rather than the general concern?
Does is communication style somehow invalidate the key point?

[Cyber Killer]

Did I miss something, or is this a VERY SLIGHT OVER-DRAMATISATION of:

http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs...o.20130215.txt

Health or death threats need to be always dealt with, with full force, this is not "fun" or "jokes", regardless of what anyone thinks. Though if someone says to your face that he is going to hurt you, there is a very high probability that he can't do that and is saying stuff out of spite (because if he could he'd just do it), but it never hurts to be careful and prepared for attack (and strike back when needed).

[erendorn]

so you are not only representing everyone but deciding to dismiss someone view based simply on specific content rather than the general concern?
Does is communication style somehow invalidate the key point?

To his defense, I've also found that asdfblah's posts are quite full of specific contents that disqualify what he writes, quite independently from any general concern.

[Laser]

so you are not only representing everyone but deciding to dismiss someone view based simply on specific content rather than the general concern?
Does is communication style somehow invalidate the key point?

Sorry, I can't find the part where I said anything about his points' validity.

[Petteri]

Did I miss something, or is this a VERY SLIGHT OVER-DRAMATISATION of:

http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs...o.20130215.txt

Yes, you missed the kickstarter-style web page which tracked funding progress etc. I remember it but can't find it anymore.

[Laser]

Yes, you missed the kickstarter-style web page which tracked funding progress etc. I remember it but can't find it anymore.

It was most likely removed due to violating the ToS.

[cantpostanon]

also, how come you haven't been hit by ANY bug, if the software is the SAME accross linux distros, not taking into account versions? what magic distro are you using that has no bugs, at all?

It's right there: "[...]There have certainly been some problems [...]". How did you miss it?

[valeriodean]

I never said Datenwolf cut up Lennart, It was Lennart that is being an asshole (come on... read the topic and follow the thread). Lennart has been an asshole time and time again, why is he surprised the linux community is then a dick back.

Datenwolf was giving a presentation, maybe aspects of what he was presenting was wrong BUT it was his presentation NOT a discussion. Lennart repeatedly interrupted him (completely putting him off while he was presenting). He then repeatedly did one of the biggest ass things you could do...
Datenwolf makes a statement
Lennart butts in and talks down to him
Lennart finishes
Datenwolf goes to start again
Lennart IMMEDIATLY interupts him and knocks him down again.

If Lennart went to any of the conferences I regularly goto and pulled that shit he would have been told to not interrupt and if he did it again he would have been escorted out. This fucker is an asshole and there is only one way to deal with an asshole and that is find a dick to fuck him OTHERWISE we all get covered in shit!

Eh??
maybe aspects of what he was presenting was wrong BUT it was his presentation NOT a discussion
Are you serious?
Just because it is your talk it doesn't mean you are authorized to spread wrong statements here and there.
A wrong statement must be correct (especially in technical field), several wrong statements in the same talk are simply ridiculous.

[niner]

WAIT, so this is what Poettering and followers are crying over? Are you guys from an association of asperger sufferers or something? How come you can read the whole thing, including context, but can't distinguish reality from a joke?

A joke? Well there was no one laughing at it as far as I can see. I'd rather call it a felony. That's at least what it is in the civilized country I live in.

Also, you know that udev depends on systemd, right? It's not like you can just go and replace it...

No, that's not right. And just repeating it will never make it right. udev does not depend on systemd in any way. udev source code is managed in the systemd source repository and it is built by the same build system as systemd. If you think this makes udev dependend on systemd in any way, please learn the first thing about software development before commenting any further on this.

Oh, and regarding systemd: it doesn't add any new features (every "feature" it adds was already there, and/or came from a completely unrelated project), so learning about it IS a waste of time.

So please explain to my how I can reliably stop a service without systemd. And I mean reliably, with all spawned child processes. And that means _all_. So I can be sure, that none whatsoever are left.
Yes, you could do it before: by rebooting the system. That I can do it now without having to reboot is a _new_ feature that alone is worth spending 10 minutes to learn systemd usage.

[mo0n_sniper]

Unfortunately, not true. The prime example of that is udev.

Like I said before, I remeber that udev wasn't mainteined anymore and Lennart and team said they will incorportae it into systemd and maintain it.
I know that gentoo forked udev into eudev so there is an alternative. But I haven't heard anything about eudev in a long time.

I happen to be using Gentoo, so I'm alright, but beyond Gentoo, who else still supports and will support non-systemd installations?

Well you can't blame people for not wanting to support your setup. They choose how they spend their time and what project to write code for.
Also you cand blame Lennart for spending his time writing something. I get it that you don't like it, no one is forcing any user to use systemd.
You don't like it you uninstall it.