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  • #21
    Dropping Wayland could get REALLY ugly for non-Mir DE's in future.

    Originally posted by phoronix View Post
    Phoronix: Wayland Is Still In Ubuntu 14.10

    While Canonical is putting all of its eggs with their Mir display server to fulfill their desktop convergence strategy and providing the next-generation Ubuntu display experience, Wayland isn't totally off-limits for users -- at least through Ubuntu 14.10...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTc4NzI
    GNOME at some point will probably end up usintg Wayland by default, possibly the shell will at some point only run on Wayland. Cinnamon in turn might at some later point be reforked from that version of GNOME 3. There is talk of porting MATE to Wayland as well, mostly by porting it to GTK3.

    Therefore, there will be two DE's now supported by Ubuntu, possibly three, plus both of Mint's primary DE's that may at some point require or benefit from Wayland. If Ubuntu removes it from repo, then I would expect a PPA to pop up offering it. For Wayland to only be in PPA, however, would get ugly if any Ubuntu flavors depend on it. Mint would simpl;y put in in their own repo, thought that might force Mint to use their own build of Mesa as well.

    I don't see any likelihood that GNOME, MATE, or Cinnamon will ever use Mir. KDE can ran Wayland now, so can upstream GNOME. How long until dropping Wayland would mean dropping Kubuntu and dropping gnome-shell and Ubuntu Gnome?

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
      You are right in so far that a protocol is just a set of descriptions/definitions but you deny the fact that there is also software named Wayland that implements that protocol. The second sentence on Wayland's official homepage says just that: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/
      And that's the point, applications written only to comprehend Wayland do not work in X11, but applications written to "only" comprehend X11 will work on top of XWayland, and XWayland works on top of Wayland.

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      • #23
        ???

        Originally posted by Caledar View Post
        Wayland or mir is just one thing of the journey to making a good distro.

        How about getting a less buggy version into libreoffice to the LTS release.

        I had Ubuntu 14.04's libreoffice calc spit out the wrong numbers.
        it's a libreoffice problem not ubuntu, you can always install another version, or from the site or from ppa

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        • #24
          Originally posted by rikkinho View Post
          it's a libreoffice problem not ubuntu, you can always install another version, or from the site or from ppa
          Actually it is a Ubuntu problem: If you have LTS releases, users expect you to backport bug fixes (not new features) as normal updates. If there is no working process for this, Ubuntu can as well drop LTS releases

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Caledar View Post
            Wayland or mir is just one thing of the journey to making a good distro.

            How about getting a less buggy version into libreoffice to the LTS release.

            I had Ubuntu 14.04's libreoffice calc spit out the wrong numbers.
            Use gnumeric instead. It's a much better spreadsheet.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by danboid View Post
              Use gnumeric instead. It's a much better spreadsheet.
              Switching the whole office suite, just because Canonical is too stupid to backport fixes, makes no sense. CentOS is here and has such a process in place.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Paul-L View Post
                And that's the point, applications written only to comprehend Wayland do not work in X11, but applications written to "only" comprehend X11 will work on top of XWayland, and XWayland works on top of Wayland.
                Applications written in Qt just work everywhere. Qt takes care about which back-end to use.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                  Applications written in Qt just work everywhere. Qt takes care about which back-end to use.
                  Not all apps use Qt. And Qt has to use either Wayland or X11.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by Paul-L View Post
                    Not all apps use Qt. And Qt has to use either Wayland or X11.
                    At a time, sure. Qt seems to try very hard to remain portable though

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