X.Org Is Looking For Some Female Help

[R___]

If anyone wants to know what objectifying women looks like, this is a perfect example.

Fuck off with the gender-based labelling. And race, while we're at it. I'm tired of being judged based on my gender and race.

In complete darkness we are all the same. It is only our knowledge and wisdom that separates us.

The internet, and technology in general gave humanity its first chance to stop judging people based on social identities, and purely based on merits. Why do we squander this opportunity?

How about hiring the best qualified candidate, and not looking at what gender, sexuality, or racial labels they use?

Mupuf, you come off as an idiot. Please stop for your own good.

[pandev92]

woman prefer others jobs because be a programmer is one of the most bad jobs that exist, is for freakys, and is underpaid in almost all countries

[profoundWHALE]

Maybe they are not interested because it is not socially acceptable to do it? It also doesn't explain why some fields got deserted by one gender and got replaced the other. Women used to be a majority of the workforce in computer science after the second world war, why would have they suddenly decided it wasn't interesting anymore? Your analysis may be a little simplistic.

In any case, we are not taking any of the freedom or funding opportunity from anyone. We are just sending a message, no need to tell people what to do based on their gender

Regarding women being the majority right after WWII makes sense because most men just got back from the war. No way would they immediately get a tech job unless they were experts at it when they went into the war, and even those were few in comparison.

And regarding anger towards this, it's really unnecessary for someone to get angry.
Option 1: Gender neutral positions/scholarships
Response: In this male dominated society this does little to help ___!
Option 2: Female and male positions/scholarships
Response: Why does ___ get special treatment? || Why do you have to single _____ out? || What if we don't identify with ____?

EDIT: Forgot to add that some people feel that providing support for someone like say, a single mother is discrimination against single fathers. And others simply don't like it when someone is biased towards being unbiased. As in, they will not hire some very well built men for some labour jobs because they haven't met their 'female quota' (a certain ratio of male to female workers). They would sooner fire an existing male worker.

TL;DR
People will complain and get offended about anything. Just do what you think is right. If it's actually bad, then you'll usually get arrested.

[Luke_Wolf]

We don't know, but statistics don't lie. It is highly improbable that so few women would be interested in this project. Why are you aggressive?

Why are you making a distinction for people who have coding skills or not? Everyone should have a happy time! They may not get funded if they don't fill the requirements but that doesn't mean we don't have to be friendly with everyone.

He's really not being that aggressive and he's got a point. You're responding to the simple fact that men and women (not to mention people of different cultures, subcultures, social classes, etc) have different interests (which isn't a bad thing and indeed is something that should be embraced), by discriminating.

And If you think that it's so improbable that women by and large aren't interested in coding I challenge you to go to any computer science or any 2xx+ level computer information systems class or hell... any engineering class. You'll notice something: there are barely any women taking these classes. There's a simple reason for this well understood and founded by gender research, men regardless of upbringing or culture, even as early as a few days old are interested in things (such as computers), women are interested in people. Which is shown in colleges and on the job.

Now if you want more women in coding there is something you can do (albeit it will bring more men in at the same time), teach your children to code, and get k-12 schools to teach their students coding, and support organizations like http://code.org/ that are working to bring that about. Basically make coding cool for everyone (and consequently something *everyone* does) and you'll get what you want. This kind of discrimination on the part of X.org is only going to maintain the status quo at best.

[M1kkko]

As Michael said, everyone can apply for the EVoC for students, no matter their gender or ethnicity. Please stop seeing discrimination where there is none!

The OPW is "open to anyone who was assigned female at birth and anyone who identifies as a woman, genderqueer, genderfluid, or genderfree regardless of gender presentation or assigned sex at birth. "

That's not exactly the same as saying "open to anyone", is it?

[Luke_Wolf]

Really? When the Zoe Quinn thing is all over the place you got the nerve to say crap like that?

What you mean the woman who got Fine Young Capitalists shut down, slept with a bunch of men to get good reviews and then decided to try to piss off 4chan? If anything Zoe Quinn is a counterpoint to your statements.

[asdfblah]

Neoliberalism/Neoconservatism (in the end, the same thing) are wonderful things...
"Let's make this people fight one each other over non-sensical, useless problems while we make loads and loads of money from war and exploitation of the working class"
These white "feminist" women are not for social justice, on the contrary, they want to profit from everyone else, they want to justify they simplist world view, and, as Luke_Wolf says, they want to REPRODUCE the statu quo. Instead of worrying about real problems (because we can just ignore poverty in the US or Europe, they are just lazy people! / Let's destroy Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, ..., we have to protect their people! [Responsibility to protect goes hand in hand with the "Project for the New American Century", yet more ideological perversity]). Hell, not even real feminists like these whiners, they are of no help to most women, at all.
And BTW, I want to know about those statistics showing "toxic atmosphere for women in IT", at least any more toxic than any other professional field. And as it was said, you don't get to see many women in engineering school, and that's not because they are treated badly... they simply dislike engineering.

Anyway, I see nothing wrong with GNOME and X.Org destroying themselves :P

[monraaf]

When did X.Org become an anti-equality hate group?

I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be boycotting an open-source project due to a policy of pro-discrimination.

[k1l_]

As Michael said, everyone can apply for the EVoC for students, no matter their gender or ethnicity. Please stop seeing discrimination where there is none!

Right now, meetings at XDC are mostly composed of white-middle class men (See LWN's photo of XDC2012.). Somehow, we must be discriminating against women and they may feel rejected by our community. We want to send a message that they are more than welcomed and we will take actions to help them in case they get harassed.

We are willing to solve this ethnicity issue. Let's make FLOSS development a happy place for everyone!

When you look back at your schooltime: was there a informatics/programming class? Did you take part? Did girls take part?
Did you take part because you knew anything about the working athmosphere in the IT?
And do you really want to tell us now that you just went to that classes because you were a nerd with a Casio digital watch and liked your Gameboy and Atari or Amiga BUT the girls did choose other classes because they knew they would be harrassed later in their job?

You are looking at the Symptome(result) and not at the cause.

And dont tell others to not call it discrimination because you think it is none while you otoh say its the discrimineted one to decide.


So if you want more women in the IT make IT more popular at all. Because else there will be only all those middle aged white males in IT who got bullied for their digital Casio watch back in school.

[Michael]

For what it's worth, my wife (photo), majored in CS... She codes more in C++ than I do these days.