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Thread: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    Galileo is on record saying the opposite.

    Also from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo..._controversies
    Notice that this isn't about the Jesuit astronomers, but about some members of an academy. Looking at the paragraph above you will see that the Jesuit astronomers quickly repeated Galileo's telescopic observations, they just came to another conclusion.

    There where those who disputed some of his observations, and there where probably some from the (Pisa?) academy who refused to look into a telescope, but not the leading astronomers around the church. It wasn't his telescopic observations that got him into trouble.

    The point is that one of the greatest pre-telescopic astronomers, Tycho Brahe, had gathered lots of hard data about the solar system and stars in a previously unheard high quality, and that data, together with with several calculations and arguments about e.g. the size of stars, contradicted the Copernican heliocentric model, but fitted the Tychonic model very well. It is an ironic twist that the Copernicans resorted to theological arguments to counter this since they couldn't argue with the data.

    There was no way this dispute could have been settled by looking into a telescope, or Galileo's troubles would have disappeared when church astronomers repeated and confirmed his observations about e.g. Jupiters moons.

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    Default Maybe SysVinit is so outdated even a "mediocre programmer" can do better?

    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy_ View Post
    Spot on. People are mistaking Lennart's manic hyperactivity for brilliance and his obsession with writing crapware for competence. The guy is a mediocre software designer and programmer at best. He has A LOT of energy but this doesn't necessarily mean he would be able to use it in the best interests of the community even if he wanted to.
    The issue here is not systemd vs what a hypothetical perfect programmer could write, rather it's systemd vs what someone else wrote decades ago(SysVinit), vs Upstart. If systemd is even slightly better than the others (and in my judgement it may well be), than any issues with the programming team are issues only of how systemd could have been a better program than itself. It only has to be better than Upstart and better than SysVinit to be good enough to switch to.

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    Stand against needless forced change (systemd, libgtk3)

    http://youtu.be/dH0NkW_7968

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsmith View Post
    Stand against needless forced change (systemd, libgtk3)

    http://youtu.be/dH0NkW_7968
    That was the funniest thing I've heard in a loooong time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsmith View Post
    Stand against needless forced change (systemd, libgtk3)
    You better to take stand against cars and electricity. Humans surely can survive without cars and electricity. Yet, while these are not being absolutely mandatory for survival, they improve quality of life. Same could be told about systemd. Sure, system would not fail to boot without systemd. Yet systemd is meant to offload admin from many routine tasks and long term plan is to keep servers and desktops working with a minimum efforts. Say, imagine something gone wrong. Windows user would spend a day reinstalling OS and reconfiguring it. Hardcore *nix guru would spend 2 days in search of obscure root cause and could nail it down. But what about downtime?! In future systemd would allow to just revert snapshot in quick and simple ways. So it would take some seconds to grab your time machine (aka older snapshot), go back before point things gone wrong and try again. So system can be back into order in matter of SECONDS. Something that none of you, loud mouthed nuts can do. Except maybe some Solaris/ZFS admins (I wonder why nobody yells at Solaris for such features? Is it completely died?)

    P.S. and yeah, hate-driven development can produce heck a lot of lulz

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