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  1. [snip: about alternatives being systemd only] ...

    [snip: about alternatives being systemd only]


    There are several scenarios; the systemd developers make a kludge IPC build upon available IPC mechanism's already in the kernel, even "Binder"...
  2. Yes, lets rewrite the entire Linux...

    <sarcasm>Yes, lets rewrite the entire Linux kernel each and every Linux daemon from scratch and change all current developer practices in order to have an ivory tower designed IPC. Lets break user...
  3. Changing kdbus now in order to fix security...

    Changing kdbus now in order to fix security problems is unproblematic as long as kdbus can retain its primary design goals. That is exactly why code reviews before inclusion in mainline exist.
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  4. I don't think we disagree about that, my point...

    I don't think we disagree about that, my point was that a clean slate IPC that didn't allow for unmodified user space use of dbus will require the entire user space to be rewritten in order to work...
  5. I think you are completely wrong about this; a...

    I think you are completely wrong about this; a major, major design point with systemd is exactly that is a drop in replacement for SysVinit etc. with extensive backwards code compatibility for...
  6. Either kdbus is accepted in such a way that...

    Either kdbus is accepted in such a way that legacy dbus1 works without modification, or the alternative is to rewrite the entire Linux/BSD user land to support a brand new, unproven kernel IPC. We...
  7. And as Greg KH pointed out, that is less than a...

    And as Greg KH pointed out, that is less than a serial port driver:
    https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/4/15/114

    As I understand it, the kdbus code have very little interaction with the rest of the...
  8. Yes it has, many times, including in the kdbus...

    Yes it has, many times, including in the kdbus docs and on lkml. The point was never just to have a faster dbus, but to have a faster dbus that can solve real world problems because it can access...
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    The problem with "degraded" mode is that neither...

    The problem with "degraded" mode is that neither the kernel, udev nor systemd knows anything about such stuff. They need some kind of "helper" program to tell them about what is acceptable or not....
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    If disks configured in fstab fail to show up, the...

    If disks configured in fstab fail to show up, the system shouldn't boot since that could lead to silent data-loss etc. If the admin don't care whether a particular disk appear at boot time or not, he...
  11. It is unsurprisingly that systemd-haters hate all...

    It is unsurprisingly that systemd-haters hate all new systemd features. And of course, you are wrong too, probably because you haven't bothered to read what Lennart Poettering meant with "stateless...
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    Several of the ABI breaks was caused by changes...

    Several of the ABI breaks was caused by changes caused by the code review (and fully documented in the Git log AFAIK). No kernel feature is per definition stable until it is mainlined.
    So far kdbus...
  13. Some GNU tools, just like some systemd tools, are...

    Some GNU tools, just like some systemd tools, are standalone tools or have stable API's simply because their developers thought it was a good idea for that tool.

    There are actual very good...
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    This really isn't up to debate; the proof is in...

    This really isn't up to debate; the proof is in the source code whether that fact disturbs you or not.



    Blind systemd-hate, hyperbolic "predictions" and conspiracy theories involving Lennart...
  15. Sure, but the problems with most people arguing...

    Sure, but the problems with most people arguing against systemd on this basis is, that they are just as ill informed about the politics and decision making behind systemd, as they are about the...
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    That is not true; systemd will happily work with...

    That is not true; systemd will happily work with other glibc-implementations like eglibc and even accept certain kind of patches in order to support them. What the systemd developers don't accept,...
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    Most new systemd features and development have...

    Most new systemd features and development have been OS container related or because it is needed in constrained environment like initrd. The ntp client and networking stuff _can_ be used on desktop,...
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    I really can't see the problem in OSS projects...

    I really can't see the problem in OSS projects getting new features, sure, some can use "ed - the one true editor" for all their writing needs, but others prefer LibreOffice Writer, despite its size...
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    Awesome little tool. I really like those little...

    Awesome little tool. I really like those little touches and the tool-kit polishing the systemd developers do; such stuff definitely makes life easier for end users.
  20. Databases gets corrupted all the time too, being...

    Databases gets corrupted all the time too, being ACID compliant means nothing if there is problems in the I/O system like a faulty driver, hard disk controller or hard disk.

    So putting log files...
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