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  1. In a previous life I had to chase a bunch of...

    In a previous life I had to chase a bunch of lawyers out of my office who were going around to everyone making Macintosh graphics and threatening to sue them for use of the Exclusive-Or operation in...
  2. OK, so I'm not directly involved with Mantle...

    OK, so I'm not directly involved with Mantle (other than sitting beside the guy who was driving the project) but my impression was that we wanted to change the direction of APIs and make them closer...
  3. Not really. It was a bit lower level than...

    Not really. It was a bit lower level than previous DX/GL and required a modern GPU, but it wasn't really specific to AMD GPUs.
  4. Nah, nothing like that ever happens... ...

    Nah, nothing like that ever happens...

    http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/butt-head-astronomer.html

    It should be noted that Dr. Sagan's original request was for Apple to make it clear that he...
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    Right. Looks like your laptop has an Llano APU...

    Right. Looks like your laptop has an Llano APU and a Caicos discrete GPU. Both of those use the r600 3d driver rather than the radeonsi driver.
  6. I'll ask around, but why do we think the name...

    I'll ask around, but why do we think the name came from AMD ? It was a Khronos trademark application, wasn't it ?
  7. Yep. All the XP users in my family are now...

    Yep. All the XP users in my family are now running Thunderbird. Some on Ubuntu, others on Win7 (all the non-technical folks over 70 got Win7).
  8. Even in places where we spell "volcano" as...

    Even in places where we spell "volcano" as "Volcano" Vulcan is known as the Roman god of fire.

    When I was in Sheffield (England) I was surprised to see a statue of Vulcan on top of the town hall...
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    It's kind of a running joke with an unfortunate...

    It's kind of a running joke with an unfortunate reality underneath. A distro is made up of many complex things, but you might be surprised how many people complain (and how loudly they complain) if...
  10. Yep, that's fair. In our case it would probably...

    Yep, that's fair. In our case it would probably be "anything that can access system memory without being constrained by the GPUVM page tables" since those are under driver control.
  11. Unless we changed the underlying state machine /...

    Unless we changed the underlying state machine / processor for every new generation (which would defeat the purpose of using standard programmable logic in the first place) you can't really talk...
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    OK, I have to ask. What are you basing this on ?

    OK, I have to ask. What are you basing this on ?
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    If there's anything I've learned over the years,...

    If there's anything I've learned over the years, it's that people don't like being forcibly transitioned, you need to bait them with shiny things :D
  14. Yeah, understood... the challenge is that GPUs...

    Yeah, understood... the challenge is that GPUs are being expected to do such complex things these days that random logic becomes impractical. You end up implementing something that looks like a...
  15. First let's distinguish between firmware (which...

    First let's distinguish between firmware (which runs on the main CPU or an interpreter on the main CPU) and microcode (which runs on state machines or processors in the device). The two are lumped...
  16. If the microcode was open source we could...

    If the microcode was open source we could certainly tweak it, but that's not what we were discussing.

    The point chithanh was making was that if we didn't have loadable microcode (ie if was built...
  17. That was basically what we were able to do with...

    That was basically what we were able to do with the microcode update -- make a variant of the hardware which could be safely supported with an open source driver. If we had stayed with the original...
  18. Sure, lots of people repeat lots of things, I'm...

    Sure, lots of people repeat lots of things, I'm talking about what is "right" not just what is repeated.



    So if there was a technical means (say a hash hard-coded into the open source driver...
  19. Wow, no wonder the open source world is a messed...

    Wow, no wonder the open source world is a messed up place.

    The radeon driver is a free driver based on open specifications (#1) which loads HW microcode into the device rather than having it...
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    Just to clarify, when I said "will show up in...

    Just to clarify, when I said "will show up in more than just laptops" that could be either by soldering the non-socketed part onto a mobo or by a new socket. One of the perverse things in this...
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