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  1. Yes, it is about desktop integration it has...

    Yes, it is about desktop integration it has nothing to do with GNOME as a project since the integration is driven by Fedora. Blaming it on GNOME is beyond silly.



    Of course I checked that as...
  2. If you find a reference that is substantial, feel...

    If you find a reference that is substantial, feel free to point to it. Otherwise it appears you are railing up for no real reason.
  3. So your rant against GNOME when the firewalld...

    So your rant against GNOME when the firewalld application (neither the service nor GUI has nothing to do with GNOME is pointless.



    Nonsense. You are just digging yourself further into a...
  4. Mono is under a free and open source license. I...

    Mono is under a free and open source license. I am not sure what give you the impression otherwise. Mono was installed by default in the Fedora live image when Tomboy used to be the default note...
  5. http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-on-wayland-status-on...

    http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-on-wayland-status-on-fedora/

    It is experimental for 3.12
  6. Yes, I do think you keep missing the point and I...

    Yes, I do think you keep missing the point and I will make one last attempt. Even if there is only one frontend, it still has nothing to do with GNOME as a desktop environment. Anyone can write a...
  7. Who said it is not about integration? I am merely...

    Who said it is not about integration? I am merely pointing out that it is not a GNOME decision but a Fedora decision and the implementation is not merely installing a GUI but disabling a system level...
  8. Would you mind providing a reference to the 50%...

    Would you mind providing a reference to the 50% claim? I don't think anyone has a good way to measure that and even if those numbers were true, this isn't a popularity game. Workstation proposal...
  9. You haven't understood the proposal at all. It...

    You haven't understood the proposal at all. It has nothing to do with not installing a GUI. firewalld is a system level firewall and doesn't require any kind of frontend. The proposal is about...
  10. None of the changes being discussed have much to...

    None of the changes being discussed have much to do with the desktop environment. Enabling or disabling the firewall is a distro level decision and firewalld has no connection to any desktop...
  11. Well, that has nothing in common with ABI/API...

    Well, that has nothing in common with ABI/API stability in a library which has no UI. If you have feedback on GNOME UI, you should post a new thread or on one of the GNOME mailing lists.
  12. GNOME/GTK has a stable API/ABI for the core...

    GNOME/GTK has a stable API/ABI for the core platform. Any ABI breakages within a stable release series is considered a bug. Perhaps something is screwed up about your understanding. You might be...
  13. ... which is optional. Just FYI for those...

    ... which is optional. Just FYI for those following along.
  14. Well, it is 2014 now and that example doesn't...

    Well, it is 2014 now and that example doesn't apply. If you are targeted such a micro niche, you are better off running busybox init or something custom. Hardly worth debating really.
  15. There was zero adhominems in what I said. When I...

    There was zero adhominems in what I said. When I say "you", it is just a language form that can be substituted with "anyone involved" and not personally directed at you. I thought this was obvious...
  16. Regardless of who you were talking about, the...

    Regardless of who you were talking about, the fundamental principle still applies. As a project you can choose to exclude anything you want but as a individual noone should be allowed to dictate...
  17. I wouldn't call that toleration. It is a basic...

    I wouldn't call that toleration. It is a basic requirement. In any open source community, no individual contributor should be allowed to dictate what others maintain. This is especially true of...
  18. No. That is why Fedora which is developing this...

    No. That is why Fedora which is developing this feature uses a wrapper so that proprietary drivers can still run as root.

    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/XorgWithoutRootRights
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    All these guys deployed MySQL for a very long...

    All these guys deployed MySQL for a very long time before any such forks existed and moving to a fork is very much a intrusive and expensive change even if the fork is mostly compatible.
  20. This is correct. Either it will remain a spin or...

    This is correct. Either it will remain a spin or become a product. A product maybe a step up with more overhead. In either case, there is no degradation. It is a growing sub community within...
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