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    AMD Berlin vs Kaveri

    I've been reading about Kaveri, it sounds mostly good. Berlin sounds
    even better. Has AMD announced a release date for Berlin (besides
    "first half of 2014")?

    Are there differences between...
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    Post docs and code, not excuses!

    Bridgman writes:
    > I was probably insane before I came here...

    The first step is admitting that you need help. And sure enough
    you are getting better:

    > Yeah, we've been thinking of switching...
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    So... are these docs actually complete? Or are...

    So... are these docs actually complete? Or are there major pieces
    missing like with ATI and the still-undocumented-after-all-these-years
    UVD?

    Can we expect FLOSS video decode with these things?
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    Bridgman: >> A) s/Linux/FLOSS/ > > Agreed, but...

    Bridgman:
    >> A) s/Linux/FLOSS/
    >
    > Agreed, but solid market share information for the other OSes is
    > even harder to get and including other OSes makes the numbers even
    > fuzzier and therefore...
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    > the current approach (trying to get clear...

    > the current approach (trying to get clear numbers on Linux market
    > share and making a business case for increased investment)
    > certainly has been a challenge

    A) s/Linux/FLOSS/

    B) Without...
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    Okay, so we need to somehow convince AMD's...

    Okay, so we need to somehow convince AMD's management to let Bridgman
    hire about 12 more people. Anyone have good ideas?

    I'm still wondering:
    It has been 3.3 years since the first batch of...
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    First off, sorry for "hijacking" the Broadcom...

    First off, sorry for "hijacking" the Broadcom Crystal HD thread.

    Second, some might infer that I think that ATI should add an FPGA
    to its GPUs. Popper does but I don't. GPUs are high volume...
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    deanjo: >> Just curious, what would make you say...

    deanjo:
    >> Just curious, what would make you say something like that ?
    > Probably out of frustration from the lack of AMD's efforts bringing hardware decoding to linux.

    s/linux/FLOSS/

    In my...
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    > ... FPGA ... > it's a shame Bridgman/AMD dont...

    > ... FPGA ...
    > it's a shame Bridgman/AMD dont see the benefits

    Bridgman can't even see the benefits of decoding video. :-(
    To be fair, I rather doubt that Bridgman is the one that
    decides...
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    > Depends on what you mean by complete. ...

    > Depends on what you mean by complete.

    Complete meaning that everything we might want/need to know about how
    to use the chip is documented and available on the web with no NDA.

    datasheet:...
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    > One advantage to shader based video decode is...

    > One advantage to shader based video decode is that it can be
    > extended to support lots of new formats pretty easily while
    > fixed function hardware is generally limited to a specific set.

    I...
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    bridgman writes >> We will do... or do not ...

    bridgman writes
    >> We will do... or do not

    "Just do it."

    --Nike

    >> I haven't used Reverse Polish Notation for maybe 30 years

    It's not just for the HP calculator sitting in the...
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    > we promised to *try*, no more. Forgotten the...

    > we promised to *try*, no more.

    Forgotten the famous Yoda saying, you have.

    When I have a FLOSS driver that can decode video using UVD
    I will go shopping for an ATI GPU card. If I live that...
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    > I'm not really sure how we lose business by not...

    > I'm not really sure how we lose business by not opening up UVD.
    > If you plan to use the broadcom chip, you still need a GPU to drive your display.

    ATI has been documenting 3D, but there are...
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    >> Asus O!Play > HDMI 1.3 Ah, it has HDMI. I...

    >> Asus O!Play
    > HDMI 1.3

    Ah, it has HDMI. I stand corrected, thanks.
    That's what I get for looking at a crappy web photo.
    Unfortunately I need s-video as composite gives dot-crawl.
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    > Asus O!Play It appears that the Asus O!Play...

    > Asus O!Play

    It appears that the Asus O!Play only has composite out, no s-video,
    no component, no DVI, HMDI, or DiiVA. :-(

    ----------

    There is obviously some advantage to using UVD or ATI...
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    ETA of chipsets with sata-600 & usb-3 ?

    I'm wondering when we can expect phenom2 chipsets with
    sata-600 and usb3?
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    > there are really about 5 different revisions of...

    > there are really about 5 different revisions of UVD

    > the official line between UVD1 and UVD2

    Interesting. Obviously we should be using floating point
    to describe this. UVD1.998 vs....
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    The GEM, Gallium, etc. chart is fine for graphics...

    The GEM, Gallium, etc. chart is fine for graphics developers.
    End users need a chart more like:



    +-----------+----------------+--------+-----------+---------+
    ...
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    > IGP is Intergrated Graphics Processor (or some...

    > IGP is Intergrated Graphics Processor (or some such, it's intergrated graphics anyway)

    Ah, Integrated Graphics Processor, aka onboard. Problem with that is
    I'd have to buy an entire new...
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