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    There's a block of text right on the front of...

    There's a block of text right on the front of getfedora.org headed "Looking for more Fedora?" which links right to spins.fp.o. I do see the spins on spins.fp.o - however, the download links still...
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    No, the primary media for Workstation is the...

    No, the primary media for Workstation is the live. If you want to do a non-live deployment of Workstation the official recommendation is to use the Server network install image, which (as noted...
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    The 'Server' network install image is really...

    The 'Server' network install image is really about the same as the old netinst / minimal image. It can install all package groups, including 'minimal'. So, grab that one.
  4. No, I just wanted to know what your point was,...

    No, I just wanted to know what your point was, because I couldn't work it out from your prior posts.

    I'm afraid it still doesn't seem valid to me. Deciding to use a longer cycle as an exception in...
  5. In theory, making that possible was part of the...

    In theory, making that possible was part of the motivation for the split, yeah - Server for instance may want to look at releasing less often, Cloud at releasing more often.

    In practice it...
  6. I'd say it's more 'ongoing' than regular, but...

    I'd say it's more 'ongoing' than regular, but yes, absolutely, this kind 'what's the target market' / 'what's the right strategy' debate goes on allllllll the time (the FESCo, Board/Council, and...
  7. OK, so we could build a distro that releases...

    OK, so we could build a distro that releases every three years, and that'd make you happier. But as you say:

    "I know this will bring intense whining and crying in ones soup for the Fedora camp"
    ...
  8. None of those benchmarks has anything to do with...

    None of those benchmarks has anything to do with systemd.
  9. So what *is* your point exactly? Yes, we decided...

    So what *is* your point exactly? Yes, we decided to take some time to make some major changes to Fedora. It was announced and planned long in advance. This is factually true. OK. What point is it...
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    Well. Honestly? Sometimes I come to Phoronix just...

    Well. Honestly? Sometimes I come to Phoronix just to blow off a bit of steam, because I can come here and be a bit blunt and still not be in any danger of lowering the usual tone of debate. ;)

    But...
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    I should clarify something above - when I said...

    I should clarify something above - when I said "Kay doesn't really write upstream kernel code anyway" I meant he doesn't do it much *any more*, because he got worn down by the LKML attitude. He did...
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    Sigh. It's amazing how you can say stuff that's...

    Sigh. It's amazing how you can say stuff that's *almost* true, yet still completely silly.

    They're known to "change working code", you say? No! How terrible!

    Erm.

    What software development...
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    I didn't "twist your words". I directly quoted...

    I didn't "twist your words". I directly quoted them. Here's a hint: when your own words quoted back to you look so bad that you have to accuse someone of "twisting" them, you're not doing too well in...
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    So...you're suggesting the people who decide the...

    So...you're suggesting the people who decide the technical direction of Debian, SUSE, Fedora, RHEL, Ubuntu, Mageia and multiple other distros are 'end users who are vulnerable to hype and less...
  15. Cool story, bro. I tried computers in 1963 but...

    Cool story, bro.

    I tried computers in 1963 but I just didn't see the point, why bother trying again? I'm sure nothing's changed!
  16. "blocker bugs"

    "The release of Fedora 21 is coming one year after the release of Fedora 20 due to all of the work surrounding "Fedora.Next" with splitting into the Workstation, Cloud, and Server products along with...
  17. Yeah, it is re-implemented in 217. The 'startup...

    Yeah, it is re-implemented in 217. The 'startup timer' is actually on basic.target, and it's arguably reasonable to suggest that 'long-running units' shouldn't happen before basic.target is run. One...
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    It's safe to try, but it probably won't work. ;)...

    It's safe to try, but it probably won't work. ;) that is, right now it's set up to just not find the image it needs, and fail out more or less right away. This is a safety measure until we're happy...
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    That text is a link to a Phoronix article where...

    That text is a link to a Phoronix article where Michael tested an earlier 21 pre-release and really liked it. All he's saying is that 21 is a good release, in his opinion. It's entirely Phoronix's...
  20. That's not a pure kernel/software feature, it...

    That's not a pure kernel/software feature, it works together with the firmware (and ultimately the CPU and motherboard hardware). The firmware has to specify the cutoffs and provide the actual...
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