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    After Brazos came Kabini/Temash and then...

    After Brazos came Kabini/Temash and then Beema/Mullins. They're around, if you look at netbooks or cheap laptops, you'll find them. So it's not silence, however from what I can see, Intel Baytrail is...
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    On a production server you simply have the linux...

    On a production server you simply have the linux package in IgnorePkg, and update it manually just before a scheduled reboot. So it's hardly a big deal.
  3. Why do you think we're too "retarded" to get...

    Why do you think we're too "retarded" to get this? I get it very much. But the FSF won't have much success, when their hardware isn't up to the computing tasks of today and on top of that costs quite...
  4. I will fully agree that using wording such as...

    I will fully agree that using wording such as "piece of crap" in an article is inappropriate, I cringed when I read that sentence.

    However, objectively, that machine really isn't capable of...
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    This isn't true even. You can install...

    This isn't true even. You can install systemd-shim and then run Gnome without running systemd. tuxd3v's "the sky is falling!!" thing is so over the top it isn't even funny.
  6. It does indirectly, via polkit. While polkit can...

    It does indirectly, via polkit. While polkit can be configured differently, I haven't seen a distro do that, they all use polkit's defaults. And by default, polkit interfaces with logind.

    The...
  7. As far as I can remember, nm-applet has always...

    As far as I can remember, nm-applet has always been a Gnome app, never a "simple gtk program". And it doesn't depend on systemd, it depends on logind's interfaces. Both are *very much* technical...
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    Damn five minute edit times!! Anyway, I...

    Damn five minute edit times!!

    Anyway, I checked and Debian actually does have a systemd/libsystemd split. So maybe a few packages could have their dependencies adjusted. But this doesn't change...
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    It requires the systemd package to be installed,...

    It requires the systemd package to be installed, because Debian doesn't split it into libsystemd and systemd like Arch does. It does not necessarily require systemd to be running. For example, top...
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    You have all the power to influence Debian...

    You have all the power to influence Debian though. You can put in the necessary effort required so that sysvinit will still be a possibility beyond Jesse (that Jesse will support sysvinit is already...
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    We're talking here about a volunteer development...

    We're talking here about a volunteer development effort. *Not* human rights in a country. Like the other person trying an analogy to parliament, your analogy does not apply. It's a gross...
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    They did not "forget" to ask the users. Users...

    They did not "forget" to ask the users. Users don't get a say because they aren't the ones doing the work.

    Thank FSM that users don't get to decide! Skimming the debian-users mailing list, a lot...
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    *facepalm* Even if what you said was the case,...

    *facepalm*

    Even if what you said was the case, that those who resigned were systemd supporters, I'd facepalm. But you're wrong - Colin Watson, the other TC member who resigned, voted for Upstart....
  14. Precisely this. I don't doubt gens actually knows...

    Precisely this. I don't doubt gens actually knows stuff, it's his trivialization of things that's the issue. That's what I doubt, that the problems systemd solves can be trivially solved otherwise....
  15. Exactly! I am doubting your words. Very sure I'm...

    Exactly! I am doubting your words. Very sure I'm not the only one here. So I'm asking for some proof, but you refuse to give that. What possible conclusion is there then, other than things are *not*...
  16. Of course you didn't. Because substance, rather...

    Of course you didn't. Because substance, rather than talk, is apparently too much for you. So basically, all your posts are just noise.

    No, those older non-systemd distros don't provide nearly as...
  17. Where's your prototype distro then? Stop with the...

    Where's your prototype distro then? Stop with the big talk and show some proof already.
  18. You're not seriously suggesting putting pkill -9...

    You're not seriously suggesting putting pkill -9 into a script as a valid, robust solution. 0_0

    And no one uses that (except for getty), because it's way too crude. In fact, daemons were made to...
  19. Good question. It's repeated again and again....

    Good question. It's repeated again and again. Even though it doesn't make sense. Desktops mostly benefit from the companion daemons (timedated, localed, logind). It's exactly on the server that...
  20. Which part of "no matter what you may think about...

    Which part of "no matter what you may think about them" didn't you understand? What I'm actually saying as opposed to your strawman is that websites won't switch to technologies than don't allow them...
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