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  • Originally posted by gilboa View Post
    Back to the subject at hand, first you'll try and persuade people to use OSS software, but soon-afterwards you'll start dragging people to special courts just because they prefer to use proprietary software.
    - Gilboa
    In what way are anyone dragging people to special court because they prefer prorietary software?

    I don't know what he meant by trying to force freedom on the world, and I certainly don't know how GPLV3 would accomplish such a task.
    Developers have the choice of writing proprietary code, GPL licenced code, BDS licenced code, public domain code etc. I trust code authors are perfectly capable of choosing the licence (or lack thereof) for their code. If you want to use someone else's code, you abide by their conditions, be they monetary, licences, or whatever it is. If you don't like the conditions you leave the code alone, it's simple really.

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    • As I said in the beginning of my post, I do not assume that he intended to create a freedom police that will force people to use OSS software. However, once you start walking down the slippery slope of forcing people to confront with -your- view of freedom (his words, not mine), freedom police (pun intended) is never too far ahead.

      - Gilboa
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      • Originally posted by gilboa View Post
        I usually don't post in philosophical threads, but this sentence caught my eyes.
        While I'm certain that you only meant it in a confined context (computer software), please keep in mind that Communism, National-socialism (In its pre-WWII form), let alone pre-modern-age theocracies, all tried to force their view of utopia on the world, and in all cases bad things followed.

        Back to the subject at hand, first you'll try and persuade people to use OSS software, but soon-afterwards you'll start dragging people to special courts just because they prefer to use proprietary software.

        - Gilboa
        On the other hand, I rarely miss an opportunity to post in this kind of threads : )

        While I understand your reasoning, I want to make clear that equating national-socialism with communism given the information now available about their respective performances on human lives lost is an anachronism, and often you hear this from not at all innocent right wing commentators with an interest in throwing mud to advance their agenda or block that of the opposition. While communism set out to bring human freedom to the masses--however so much anybody can disagree about what freedom is or how wrong they were--fascism and national-socialism ideologies had at their core the conviction that people are born unequal (race, nation, gender). We make a historical disservice to people who, at the time, fought for the ideal of human emancipation, by comparing them to those who fought to prevent it.

        But as I said, other than finding that comparison inappropriate, I understand and actually agree with your logic. There should be no need to 'force freedom' down anyone's throat. Education rather than coercion is surely the way to go about this. In any case, I don't think 'forcing freedom to the world' while speaking about a software license--which you are actually free to choose--should raise this sort of concerns (although I'm well aware of the cheap, moralistic, fanatic talking of some free software advocates).

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        • Originally posted by yotambien View Post
          While I understand your reasoning, I want to make clear that equating national-socialism with communism
          Meh, national-socialism was just a joke concept pulled up by Hitler to try to squash communism in Germany and pull its supporters to support him instead, really. Nothing to do with socialism other than the word. I don't really approve of the whole term. Just use Nazism, nationalists was what they were.

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          • Now that Godwin's law has been proven once again I guess we can leave this thread to die

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            • Originally posted by yotambien
              I want to make clear that equating national-socialism with communism...
              I wasn't. (Or at least didn't intend to... Especially given the fact that parts of my family didn't survive the Holocaust)

              - Gilboa
              DEV: Intel S2600C0, 2xE52658V2, 32GB, 4x2TB + 2x3TB, GTX780, F21/x86_64, Dell U2711.
              SRV: Intel S5520SC, 2xX5680, 36GB, 4x2TB, GTX550, F21/x86_64, Dell U2412..
              BACK: Tyan Tempest i5400XT, 2xE5335, 8GB, 3x1.5TB, 9800GTX, F21/x86-64.
              LAP: ASUS N56VJ, i7-3630QM, 16GB, 1TB, 635M, F21/x86_64.

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              • For those of you who don't like GPL3 and DRM here is Richard Stallman on DRM and GPL

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNBMdDaYhZA

                From the description:
                Richard Stallman lecturing about copyright at University of Calgary on 2009-02-03. Free/Libre formats can be found at: http://www.archive.org/details/200902... , as per Stallman's request.

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