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  • #16
    Originally posted by systemd rulez View Post
    I bet BSD supports/devs/users support North Korea, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia

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    • #17
      Originally posted by systemd rulez View Post
      Oww look at this, the little BSD zealot has lost the argument and is now crying and throwing insults and trolling. boohoo....... WAAAHH!!!!!



      I'm a Programmer: Assembly, C, C++ and Lisp (Awsome with GNU EMACS).
      I'm also a programmer... Assembly and C; coded an emulator and my own hobby OS.
      Originally posted by systemd rulez View Post
      So ur a mathematican, one of the most useless jobs anyone can have.
      Mathematician is not a job, idiot.
      Originally posted by systemd rulez View Post
      You just cock up fancy mathematical formulations that have absolutely applications to the real world. Even Physics is more applicable then your crap and even they should just scrap it from universities as engineering and IT is the one that's useful.
      It has been some time since the last time I saw such an ignorant opinion about mathematics. Thanks for the memories and the laugh.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by axero View Post
        I think that ZFS is still considerably more mature on Solaris/Illumos than on Linux and BSD and that is not about to change anytime soon. Moreover, I'm not sure if Linux is as advanced with tools such as dtrace, truss, crossbow etc.

        If not for 3D, one good reason to use KMS is to make the GPUs run well with the system, particularly newer generation GPUs. Some GPUs need to be initialized by a KMS driver in order to activate their power management profile. When running such GPUs with standard VESA drivers, e.g. the cooling fan will run continuously at max speed.

        But I guess that is less relevant when running a headless setup as might be desired for file servers and virtualized environments unless we want to take advantage of features such as OpenCL or CUDA.
        There will always be differences, but ZFS support in Linux (particularly Gentoo Linux) is at parity with Illumos in many areas. The OS-independent ZFS code is basically the same at this point. The same is true for FreeBSD-CURRENT. There are many people happily using ZFS on each platform.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ryao View Post
          There will always be differences, but ZFS support in Linux (particularly Gentoo Linux) is at parity with Illumos in many areas. The OS-independent ZFS code is basically the same at this point. The same is true for FreeBSD-CURRENT. There are many people happily using ZFS on each platform.
          ZFS support is not quite on a parity ... although the code base is pretty much the same.

          ZFS pools can be created on Solaris "slices" (sub-partitions as it were) in Solaris/Illumos, and ZFS on Solaris/Illumos is used for the root pools by default, making it core to the OS.

          However, the USB support in Linux is by far and away better than the USB support in Solaris/Illumos (at present) meaning that ZFS on USB is significantly more stable on a Linux box ... the Illumos guys are looking to rip out the USB code (based on a streams interface) and replace it with something a whole lot more Linuxy (either from BSD, or written from scratch)

          PS. look out for LZ4 compression coming to ZFS on Linux soon, when they get the updated code base ... LZ4 is so fast that it is worth while turning on because it takes less time to read in from the disk and uncompress in memory than it does to read the slightly bigger file from disk!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sergio View Post
            No; it is clear that a single person is creating multiple accounts for deliberately sabbotaging the forums. If you can't deal with it then you are not moderating. This 'systemd rulez' idiot is OBVIOUSLY the same loser behind the 'LINUX ANALS SOLARIS' and the like accounts. Ignoring is not enough because people keep answering whatever trollness that idiot craps. Discussions are being degenerated to nonsense.
            The funny thing is that this "systemd rulez" guy that bashes Solaris, does not know that Linux Systemd is a clone of Solaris SMF. The creator of systemd always makes heavy references to SMF.

            It is like BTRFS is a clone of Solaris ZFS, Open vSwitch is a clone of Solaris Crossbow, systemtap is a clone of Solaris DTrace, Linux also has a clone of Solaris Zone, etc. Soon the Linux camp have copied entire Solaris. But still, the Linux code is not so good in comparison, according to Linux kernel hacker Con Kolivas:
            http://ck-hack.blogspot.be/2010/10/o...s-illumos.html
            "...I started to feel a little embarrassed by what we have as our own kernel. The more I looked at the [Solaris] code, the more it felt like it pretty much did everything the Linux kernel has been trying to do for ages. Not only that, but it's built like an aircraft, whereas ours looks like a garage job with duct tape by comparison..."

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            • #21
              of course it is. linux devs are hackers at heart. which means technologically backwards solutions and ductaping. solaris devs are highly paid full time workers, giving them a clear direction. still, solaris is rubbish on anything but servers, whereas linux is usable on a wider variety of things.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by garegin View Post
                of course it is. linux devs are hackers at heart. which means technologically backwards solutions and ductaping. solaris devs are highly paid full time workers, giving them a clear direction. still, solaris is rubbish on anything but servers, whereas linux is usable on a wider variety of things.
                Are you saying that Solaris is better than Linux on servers?

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                • #23
                  Why someone tries to reincarnate a dead cow slowlaris? Is there anyone who wants to run it on a desktop? OMG!!!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by OpenSLOWlaris
                    Oh no, the (slow)laris troll is back.

                    I thought kraftman would have taught you a lesson by now but it seems you'll never learn.
                    Why are you talking about Kraftman? It was a long time (at least a year) I was logged in here, just check my activity. I dont remember all I talked to, but you do. How can you remember year old konversations I had? The only conclusion is that you are Kraftman. Hello, Kraftman! Long time, no see. Why did you get another account? Why do you not continue your old nickname "Kraftman"?

                    Dont you think it was a interesting blog post by Con Kolivas? That he is ashamed over the Linux code quality, when he compared it to Solaris source code? That Solaris source code is so much better? That Linux scheduler is "about to explode" and "held with duct tape"?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by kebabbert View Post
                      Why are you talking about Kraftman? It was a long time (at least a year) I was logged in here, just check my activity. I dont remember all I talked to, but you do. How can you remember year old konversations I had? The only conclusion is that you are Kraftman. Hello, Kraftman! Long time, no see. Why did you get another account? Why do you not continue your old nickname "Kraftman"?

                      Dont you think it was a interesting blog post by Con Kolivas? That he is ashamed over the Linux code quality, when he compared it to Solaris source code? That Solaris source code is so much better? That Linux scheduler is "about to explode" and "held with duct tape"?
                      I explained you thing about Con and he can be easily ignored. The truth is slowlaris is dead. Dead code can't be good, can it?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                        ...The truth is slowlaris is dead....
                        That is the Kraftman I know! Good boy! He always said that very phrase! And when I asked him for any links, he never gave any. Just like you. You will never show us links on this. You speak like Kraftman, you say exactly the same wordings, and you behave like him (never show links and lie). So, Hello Kraftman. Why dont you use your old account instead of this new one?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Pawlerson View Post
                          Why someone tries to reincarnate a dead cow slowlaris? Is there anyone who wants to run it on a desktop? OMG!!!
                          Umm ... actually I do ... on a laptop.

                          Mostly it's because it's an environment that I know very well, partly it's down to the network stack on Solaris being, for me, more configurable, and partly it's down to stability ...

                          When I got the laptop I did spec it out with complete Intel though to make sure I had compatibility, and had a minimum of 4Gb of memory, but then again we do the same with our Ubuntu laptops.

                          Illumos is fast, once it's loaded. The apps run smoother and more reliably on the whole than when running on the Ubuntu partition of the same laptop (dual boot). It's also significantly easier to set up Solaris to talk LDAP with failover servers and know that it will always keep working with LDAP.

                          The Ubuntu boots faster, although probably only 1/3 faster, and has many more apps compiled and available with no hassle (games mostly, but LibreOffice and Chrome are also supported), device support is better (I can use the built in SD card reader) and USB just works better, but for my general every day coding and access to our company network I use OpenIndiana.

                          Don't get me wrong, I like Linux, and have converted a lot of Windows users to it, and I install it on our standard users laptops, and it runs on my family's home machine ... but my work laptop runs Solaris and my boss is jealous.

                          Jon

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by garegin View Post
                            of course it is. linux devs are hackers at heart. which means technologically backwards solutions and ductaping. solaris devs are highly paid full time workers, giving them a clear direction. still, solaris is rubbish on anything but servers, whereas linux is usable on a wider variety of things.
                            The high cadre of linux developers, people like Andrew Morton, Greg K-H, Linus himself, Ted Ts'o, Paul E. McKenney, are also highly paid full time programmers with a basis in CS.

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                            • #29
                              I found this article about which mainly talks about the history of BSD but also tells about the creator of solaris.

                              http://aboutthebsds.wordpress.com/20...istory-of-bsd/

                              Turns out BSD and Solaris are created by the same idiot.

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                              • #30
                                I found this article about which mainly talks about the history of BSD but also tells about the creator of solaris.

                                http://aboutthebsds.wordpress.com/20...istory-of-bsd/

                                Turns out BSD and Solaris are created by the same idiot.

                                There's lots of interesting articles in this blog as well.

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