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    Phoronix: The OpenSolaris-based Illumos Project Announced

    Last week we reported on the Illumos project that may be a fork of OpenSolaris coming out of the OpenSolaris community being shafted by Oracle. Not many details were known at that time, but now the Nexenta-sponsored Illumos project has formally introduced itself...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODQ3MQ

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    Today is a good day. Everyone wins from this. Regardless of future development with the official OpenSolaris and Oracle this will be a good thing and contribute to the community either way.

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    • #3
      Why do they care that much. The only place where Solaris matters is among servers but even there it's been losing market share for a long time and has already a tiny marketshare, it's not poised to be popular on the desktop nor on mobiles or supercomputers, sooner or later ZFS will face Btrfs and DTrace - FTrace, so there's getting less and less incentive to keep it alive besides for legacy setups. Of course I oversimplified the issue but not by a lot, you get the main points.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cl333r View Post
        Why do they care that much. The only place where Solaris matters is among servers but even there it's been losing market share for a long time and has already a tiny marketshare, it's not poised to be popular on the desktop nor on mobiles or supercomputers, sooner or later ZFS will face Btrfs and DTrace - FTrace, so there's getting less and less incentive to keep it alive besides for legacy setups. Of course I oversimplified the issue but not by a lot, you get the main points.
        Why would people care about linux or *BSD? They only matter on servers and phones, why should they be a big deal?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by cl333r View Post
          Why do they care that much. The only place where Solaris matters is among servers but even there it's been losing market share for a long time and has already a tiny marketshare, it's not poised to be popular on the desktop nor on mobiles or supercomputers, sooner or later ZFS will face Btrfs and DTrace - FTrace, so there's getting less and less incentive to keep it alive besides for legacy setups. Of course I oversimplified the issue but not by a lot, you get the main points.
          Because Solaris is here and has been for quite a while unlike the things you refer to?

          Why replace it rather than continuing to build on it?

          They will now continue developing the code base with or without Oracle, it's not like ZFS, DTrace and other technologies are standing still.

          I suppose your argument is that the Solaris community and the BSDs should just shut down and everyone should use and contribute to one OS. Good thing others think differently.

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          • #6
            1. This is another FOSS project with an obscure (absurd) name.
            2. Have they finally upgraded to GCC 4 yet?

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            • #7
              wow fanboyism. I obviously mean that it's only got a tiny server market share which has been shrinking for like 10 years with or without open source Solaris based/like distros. So what's the fight about? For the sake of having something besides Linux/BSD? That's the grand idea?
              I don't see any interest in it from anyone except basically those who worked with it in the past a lot.
              So what are the grand plans except for keeping it around? There were plans for it to make meaning for the Mac world through ZFS but even that has been dropped.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                wow fanboyism. I obviously mean that it's only got a tiny server market share which has been shrinking for like 10 years with or without open source Solaris based/like distros. So what's the fight about? For the sake of having something besides Linux/BSD? That's the grand idea?
                I don't see any interest in it from anyone except basically those who worked with it in the past a lot.
                So what are the grand plans except for keeping it around? There were plans for it to make meaning for the Mac world through ZFS but even that has been dropped.
                If people enjoy something, they will continue to do it, it doesn't need to have a grand purpose, and it's not harming you.

                So why are you complaining?

                NOTE: I don't use Solaris or *BSD, but I just hate trolls.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                  wow fanboyism. I obviously mean that it's only got a tiny server market share which has been shrinking for like 10 years with or without open source Solaris based/like distros. So what's the fight about? For the sake of having something besides Linux/BSD? That's the grand idea?
                  I don't see any interest in it from anyone except basically those who worked with it in the past a lot.
                  So what are the grand plans except for keeping it around? There were plans for it to make meaning for the Mac world through ZFS but even that has been dropped.
                  I use Solaris every day at work, and we've got a ton of servers based on it. Yes, we're replacing a lot of our stuff with Linux/MacOS, but Solaris will be around for a very long time (mission critical certified Linux is there, but we KNOw Solaris works). If there's an Open Source alternative which is ABI compatible with Solaris, and more importantly, certified and supported (contracts of ours require that we use a supported OS), our IT team might take notice.

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                  • #10
                    Did actually anyone mention that OpenSolaris was crippled? I once made the mistake to install it on a test server. It was only then that I discovered that you had to pay in order for the update functionality to work. No money = no security updates.

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                    • #11
                      Good attitude for targeting 100% binary compatibility, we could say that it will be same 'way' as CentOS is for the RHEL distro ... and that is propably best choice they can make.

                      Pity they do not have an OS itself (no working ISO images, just codebase), but that is a good start.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by some-guy View Post
                        Why would people care about linux or *BSD? They only matter on servers and phones, why should they be a big deal?
                        Because Linux matters on servers, phones and in HPC. It also matters more on desktops then Solaris and *Bsd. Btw. woah, OpenSolaris wasn't fully open source They wanted to cheat us or something?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Veerappan View Post
                          (mission critical certified Linux is there, but we KNOw Solaris works).
                          Are you suggesting Linux doesn't work there? Or just saying you didn't try nothing except Solaris?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cl333r View Post
                            Why do they care that much. The only place where Solaris matters is among servers but even there it's been losing market share for a long time and has already a tiny marketshare, it's not poised to be popular on the desktop nor on mobiles or supercomputers, sooner or later ZFS will face Btrfs and DTrace - FTrace, so there's getting less and less incentive to keep it alive besides for legacy setups. Of course I oversimplified the issue but not by a lot, you get the main points.
                            I agree that Unix market share is diminishing, but I think you are wrong on many parts.

                            According to a survey on behalf of HP, Solaris has the brightest future:
                            http://www.itpro.co.uk/623683/unix-s...PRO+-+Today%29

                            "According to the Coleman Parkes findings, the current operating system of choice for mission-critical systems is Solaris... HP-UX was in second place, followed by Windows."

                            It means that Solaris still has lots of customers and it is most used by all Unixes. Solaris has been shipped 13 million times, and OpenSolaris also several million times. All in all, Solaris/OpenSolaris has been shipped in almost 20 million licenses.

                            Solaris is the reference platform OS for Oracle database - this was outspoken long before Oracle bought Sun.

                            Regarding BTRFS and FTrace or Systemtap - they are just copies. Solaris shows the way and ZFS and DTrace are provenly good and delivers today. Linux may have grand plans for the Solaris copies, but I doubt Linux devs will succeed. For instance, BTRFS will always be lagging behind ZFS. It takes at least 5 years, before version 1.0 of filesystem is let into the server halls. When BTRFS is v1.0 it will take another 5 years of debugging and development before it is let into the server halls. Meanwhile, ZFS will continue development and new functionality. BTRFS will always lag behind.

                            And, does BTRFS provide data safety like ZFS does? I doubt that. I think that if Oracle where serious about BTRFS, then Oracle would dedicate a full team, not like now: one full time paid developer. I think Oracle will bet on the original: ZFS and let BTRFS handle it self. ZFS is better than BTRFS, why develop two identical products, and one product is a copy of the other?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kebabbert View Post
                              I agree that Unix market share is diminishing, but I think you are wrong on many parts.

                              According to a survey on behalf of HP, Solaris has the brightest future:
                              http://www.itpro.co.uk/623683/unix-s...PRO+-+Today%29

                              "According to the Coleman Parkes findings, the current operating system of choice for mission-critical systems is Solaris... HP-UX was in second place, followed by Windows."

                              It means that Solaris still has lots of customers and it is most used by all Unixes. Solaris has been shipped 13 million times, and OpenSolaris also several million times. All in all, Solaris/OpenSolaris has been shipped in almost 20 million licenses.
                              It means Coleman Parkes thinks so. It doesn't mean Solaris still has lots of customers and it also doesn't mean it has the brightest future. I'm not sure if BSD is Unix or Unix like system, but I guess it's more used then Solaris.

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