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  • Will OpenSolaris 2010 Make It Out This Month?

    Phoronix: Will OpenSolaris 2010 Make It Out This Month?

    Not only is the future for X12 unknown, but there is also an uncertain outlook for OpenSolaris. The successor to OpenSolaris 2009.06 (released last June) was supposed to be OpenSolaris 2010.02 and released in February of this year as implied by its date. However, four months later, there still are no signs of this OpenSolaris update. Sun Microsystems originally planned for the OpenSolaris operating system to be updated every six months, but now we are a year into OpenSolaris 2009.06 and this is clearly no longer the interest of Oracle, Sun's new owner...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODMwOQ

  • #2
    I think OpenSolaris will disappear very soon, indipendently if it's a good or bad OS.

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    • #3
      Well, there are a few signs that a new stable release of OpenSolaris will come out, such as here:
      http://sparcv9.blogspot.com/2010/05/...or-201005.html

      I still have my hopes, but for now I'm fine with build 134.

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      • #4
        The major problem here, that I see, is that Oracle is a corporate entity and already has a lot of time and money invested in Linux - they distribute their own Linux operating system.

        So why would they want to keep another open source project? I can think of lots of reasons why I would want them to, but I can't think of many reasons why Oracle would.

        Would it make sense to keep it going for open development of Solaris? Is there any worth to them in keeping such a development model? Do they predict having enough customers to make it feasible?

        Only time will tell, but I am definitely not surprised that there's little activity at present. There are a lot of decisions & projections to be made!

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        • #5
          FWIW, the rumour mill amongst ex-Sun partner community (at least those I talk with) is that:
          - Oracle will come out with a slew of product announcements in the new financial year, including revised Solaris/OpenSolaris roadmaps. Until then they will be maintaining their very typical complete silence.
          - OpenSolaris and Solaris will be "unified" somewhat as Solaris 11. There will be no new OpenSolaris until this happens, which may still be quite soon.

          Take it with a grain of salt: it's a composite of several possibly informed guesses from maybe reliable sources.

          I wouldn't take the silence from Oracle as a sign they have abondoned it however -- they are notorious for being very tight lipped about future plans. Of course, they'd be just as silent about killing the project until they were ready to announce it, but their silence to me does not speak for one or the other.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ltmon View Post
            FWIW, the rumour mill amongst ex-Sun partner community (at least those I talk with) is that:
            - Oracle will come out with a slew of product announcements in the new financial year, including revised Solaris/OpenSolaris roadmaps. Until then they will be maintaining their very typical complete silence.
            - OpenSolaris and Solaris will be "unified" somewhat as Solaris 11. There will be no new OpenSolaris until this happens, which may still be quite soon.

            Take it with a grain of salt: it's a composite of several possibly informed guesses from maybe reliable sources.

            I wouldn't take the silence from Oracle as a sign they have abondoned it however -- they are notorious for being very tight lipped about future plans. Of course, they'd be just as silent about killing the project until they were ready to announce it, but their silence to me does not speak for one or the other.
            I'm inclined to believe you, as your suggestions sound plausible, with or without your sources. The idea that Solaris/OpenSolaris will be unified makes a lot of sense - we can only hope that the open-source part is maintained, for the sake of a lot of projects based upon it. (Nexenta is one that springs to mind.)

            The only point that I would raise is - we're already in the 'new' financial year. Or did you mean next April?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tomm3h View Post
              The only point that I would raise is - we're already in the 'new' financial year. Or did you mean next April?
              I meant more in the late June to late July timeframe of this year (new financial year technically being July 1st).

              They'll probably hold off a few big announcements for Oracle OpenWorld as well, which is September.

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              • #8
                Fork OpenSolaris

                Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                Phoronix: Will OpenSolaris 2010 Make It Out This Month?

                Not only is the future for X12 unknown, but there is also an uncertain outlook for OpenSolaris. The successor to OpenSolaris 2009.06 (released last June) was supposed to be OpenSolaris 2010.02 and released in February of this year as implied by its date. However, four months later, there still are no signs of this OpenSolaris update. Sun Microsystems originally planned for the OpenSolaris operating system to be updated every six months, but now we are a year into OpenSolaris 2009.06 and this is clearly no longer the interest of Oracle, Sun's new owner...

                http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODMwOQ
                I personally don't like the current situation that OpenSolaris is in the hands of Oracle. I missed the good old Sun Microsystems. Uncertainty is certainly a hard problem. Let's make this one easy. Let's fork OpenSolaris as soon as possible. Fork OpenSolaris

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                • #9
                  Do not worry OpenSolaris will be here soon

                  Originally posted by sosouke View Post
                  I personally don't like the current situation that OpenSolaris is in the hands of Oracle. I missed the good old Sun Microsystems. Uncertainty is certainly a hard problem. Let's make this one easy. Let's fork OpenSolaris as soon as possible. Fork OpenSolaris
                  Forking OpenSolaris is really a bad idea, and i'll tell you why. OpenSolaris community can be strong when it is single. If we start distributing and forking it, there will be less developers who are involved working on the core but more packagers of their own distributions. Linux has faced that problem already, and I wouldn't like OpenSolaris to follow it that way.

                  OpenSolaris 2010 will come out soon. Be patient don't worry.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gleb_sitnikov View Post
                    Forking OpenSolaris is really a bad idea, and i'll tell you why. OpenSolaris community can be strong when it is single. If we start distributing and forking it, there will be less developers who are involved working on the core but more packagers of their own distributions. Linux has faced that problem already, and I wouldn't like OpenSolaris to follow it that way.

                    OpenSolaris 2010 will come out soon. Be patient don't worry.
                    I don't think the community is as strong as before during the good old days at Sun Microsystems. Today at Oracle is actually quite different. The OpenSolaris community was created to support the OpenSolaris project. OpenSolaris is not totally free. Most of its parts remains closed. The community is only as strong as how Oracle today will allow them to be. Forking will create a new community around the OpenSolaris fork without the bounds of an imposing corporate entity such as Oracle. Forking does increase the chances of having different distributions and reduces the number of core developers. The latter clause actually is not that different today at Oracle. I doubt if Oracle retained the previous number of core developers for OpenSolaris.

                    Let's follow FreeBSD more closer than Linux. I believe there will be couple of distributions but if that grows more, then its a freedom we must accept. What is important is to make sure that OpenSolaris does not sink into another Unix death we know in the past. We can rewrite all the OpenSolaris parts and have it under a real open-source license.

                    It's either pseudo freedom or real freedom. If we decide to stay under Oracle then its either we will have to pay for OpenSolaris or expect a more featureless OpenSolaris. I intend to go for the real freedom. Let us fork OpenSolaris. If in case there wasn't a fork or such fork wasn't that successful then I will be happy to stay with FreeBSD instead.

                    Big guns don't stay in Oracle, so is the open-source freedom.

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                    • #11
                      "... Most of its parts remains closed ..."

                      http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/no_source

                      1) the chinese and japanese fonts
                      2) the "flash install" and "live upgrade" ... (which are effectively replaced under the ZFS system anyway)
                      3) Acroread, flash and Realplayer ... which never belonged to Sun
                      4) man pages for devices and programs that are obsolete or open versions have been used.
                      5) certain cluster software
                      6) certain older device drivers (usually from the manufacturers themselves) and hardware specific implementations of some Sun kit, usually because these have been replaced by existing open-source versions.
                      7) sparc grpahics drivers, I don't personally know if these have been replaced or not ...
                      8) the XSun server (replaced with XOrg), fonts, and some Adobe code for displaying PostScript.

                      It seems like a lot till you realise that it pretty much doesn't affect any OpenSolaris desktop user, and probably not most servers.

                      the problem only occurs if you don't have access to Chinese/Japanese/Korean fonts, and I'd guess that those are available nowadays.

                      I would say that very few parts are now closed source.

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                      • #12
                        Fork OpenSolaris

                        Originally posted by jadrevenge View Post
                        "... Most of its parts remains closed ..."

                        http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/no_source

                        1) the chinese and japanese fonts
                        2) the "flash install" and "live upgrade" ... (which are effectively replaced under the ZFS system anyway)
                        3) Acroread, flash and Realplayer ... which never belonged to Sun
                        4) man pages for devices and programs that are obsolete or open versions have been used.
                        5) certain cluster software
                        6) certain older device drivers (usually from the manufacturers themselves) and hardware specific implementations of some Sun kit, usually because these have been replaced by existing open-source versions.
                        7) sparc grpahics drivers, I don't personally know if these have been replaced or not ...
                        8) the XSun server (replaced with XOrg), fonts, and some Adobe code for displaying PostScript.

                        It seems like a lot till you realise that it pretty much doesn't affect any OpenSolaris desktop user, and probably not most servers.

                        the problem only occurs if you don't have access to Chinese/Japanese/Korean fonts, and I'd guess that those are available nowadays.

                        I would say that very few parts are now closed source.
                        This is interesting to note. Thanks for the information but what is your point? Having few of the parts still closed source doesn't change anything nor having none of it closed source. It doesn't make the real freedom for OpenSolaris.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sosouke View Post
                          This is interesting to note. Thanks for the information but what is your point? Having few of the parts still closed source doesn't change anything nor having none of it closed source. It doesn't make the real freedom for OpenSolaris.
                          I'm a Solaris user of many years ... I recently bit the bullet and installed OpenSolaris on my new laptop (as opposed to vanilla Solaris) when my old one died ... I'm still getting used to it, and I'll have to get more memory for the beast it only has 2 Gb ...

                          I agree with you that the way things are going isn't the nicest looking ...

                          The only thing I was commenting about is that almost all of OpenSolaris is _now_ open source, or at least the bits that matter and you're only left with the propitiatory stuff that Sun never truly owned in the first place ...

                          I heard that Oracle are looking to keep OpenSolaris around so that it can develop Solaris on the cheap, but only as long as the focus is in the direction that Oracle want it to head ... although this might well just be my interpretation of some malicious gossip

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jadrevenge View Post
                            I'm a Solaris user of many years ... I recently bit the bullet and installed OpenSolaris on my new laptop (as opposed to vanilla Solaris) when my old one died ... I'm still getting used to it, and I'll have to get more memory for the beast it only has 2 Gb ...

                            I agree with you that the way things are going isn't the nicest looking ...

                            The only thing I was commenting about is that almost all of OpenSolaris is _now_ open source, or at least the bits that matter and you're only left with the propitiatory stuff that Sun never truly owned in the first place ...

                            I heard that Oracle are looking to keep OpenSolaris around so that it can develop Solaris on the cheap, but only as long as the focus is in the direction that Oracle want it to head ... although this might well just be my interpretation of some malicious gossip
                            Oracle might do the thing that we hoped for but it doesn't change the fact that OpenSolaris isn't totally free. There are actually existing forks of the OpenSolaris today and one of them is the OSUNIX, a true open source fork of the OpenSolaris. I just hope for saving OpenSolaris and its community. Sorry,. but I am very skeptic on Oracle's long term commitment for OpenSolaris.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sosouke View Post
                              Oracle might do the thing that we hoped for but it doesn't change the fact that OpenSolaris isn't totally free. There are actually existing forks of the OpenSolaris today and one of them is the OSUNIX, a true open source fork of the OpenSolaris. I just hope for saving OpenSolaris and its community. Sorry,. but I am very skeptic on Oracle's long term commitment for OpenSolaris.
                              Using Oracle (Database) here and them trying to screw us over by retrospectively changing the licenses that we had, I can concur with you ...

                              I was born an optimist and I have a nasty feeling that I will be an optimist till I die ;P

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