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  • #46
    You don't need Crapple just to get reliablity.

    Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
    I hate to say it but you really should consider going back to a Mac. It just isn't conducive to business to be running Linux on a laptop. I know that will generate all sorts of heat but the reality is you get a Mac laptop and it will run Mac OS reliably. If it doesn't Apple will take care of you. This is why I sit at a Mac right now and use it as my primary machine, the Linux machines are fine but for a primary user machine Macs just run.

    You could try popping the machine apart to check fan operation and correct seating on the CPU.
    Buying overpriced sweatshop (Foxconn) goods from Crapple won't save your ass and won't pay for itself. I've never had one, exactly none of the laptops I have worked on came from them, and not ONCE have I had a problem that "buy a Mac" would fix. My sister's laptop will overheat-but only if she doesn't use a straw to blow all the crap out of the cooler through the case slots every couple of months. Unless Crapple is using self-cleaning fan filters and overclocking coolers in laptops, their hardware will get this issue just as fast.

    Blow the dust out and keep it blown out, starting when you first get any laptop big enough to have an internal finned heatpipe cooler, as those tend to clog otherwise. It's no wonder another poster's graph showed a quarter of all laptops having issues by the three year mark: nobody cleans them out, and the dust kills them. Any computer I work on hardware-wise, the very first thing I do is inspect the coolers for dust and clean them out as needed.

    As for Mac OS, I don't trust any closed source OS with the kind of data I use within the country of origin (US) or any of its allies.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by dungeon View Post
      Nah , just for you to know this seems not releted to intel or laptops only, it happens on desktop amd too .

      I think i will run for few days with SwapbuffersWait off, somehow i guess this is related to that .
      Nope got it again now , after much benchmarking of games, switching mesa versions, login/logouting... . After doing all that and after some time (minute maybe), with just Firefox sitting on the Desktop, firstly Desktop does not response for a few seconds, then for a few seconds i see black screen with corruption and finally reboot came in... all that automaticaly with no user intervention .
      Last edited by dungeon; 07-28-2014, 10:43 PM.

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      • #48
        So user doing (much?) something, leave it for minute and it get rebooted... what is that

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        • #49
          Man overclocks the shit out of computer.

          Month passes.

          Computer is suddenly unstable. How dare it!

          :P

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          • #50
            Aww Yeah! .

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            • #51
              Running mprime for about 6 hours produce 0 errors, 0 warnings.

              It seems issue is there only when browser is open, is that also your case Michael . Recently i updated that abandonware flash player for Firefox , so lets remove that blob to see how it will goes in the following days .

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              • #52
                I had a desktop with a similar issue. It happened because when the system was idle, it would clock the chipset down (This wasn intel P45 chipset) AND lower the voltage. It would go unstable pretty much right after it was being pushed hard. So, the solution for this specific MB was to set the chipset voltage higher in the BIOS and then the problem dissapeared. Now I really doubt a notebook would allow you to do something like this in the BIOS though. I wonder if you can disable some chipset power-management in software on Linux?

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                • #53
                  Set the maximum cpu frequency to a lower value

                  I had a similar overheating issue with my old macbook pro. I was shipped a laptop with a 2.6GHz processor and the laptop would randomly reboot if it sat in that pstate for more than a few minutes. (This was an old 2007 core2 macbook so 2.6GHz was as fast as you could get in an intel laptop at the time).

                  My solution was to limit the maximum pstate to 2.4GHz.

                  Assuming acpi-cpufreq has been loaded (modprobe acpi-cpufreq):

                  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
                  260000000 24000000 22000000

                  Pick one of them that is less than the maximum, so in this case try 24000000 first

                  for i in cpu{0,1,2,3} # assuming 4 cpus
                  do
                  echo 24000000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/$i/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq
                  done

                  This fixed the issue on my old macbook. Obviously this isn't an ideal solution but at least the laptop worked. I would rather run at 2.4Ghz than 2.6 and not have to deal with the laptop overheating.

                  This way you can leave the laptop with the default ondemand governor, the laptop just won't run at 100% throttle.

                  Hope this helps.

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                  • #54
                    Enough testing from me, just remove flash player so that your browser can't touch it at all Michael . I am serious about that .

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                    • #55
                      You can disable/reenable flash w/o restarting browser.

                      Originally posted by dungeon View Post
                      Enough testing from me, just remove flash player so that your browser can't touch it at all Michael . I am serious about that .
                      No need to remove it outright. I normally keep Flash turned off to force use of HTL5 and block Flash exploits, will only turn it on to play a video from a known safe site. W/o flash or Java, it also gets harder to fingerprint browsers as fewer fonts, etc can be enumerated.

                      To turn flash on or off, go to add-ons, select "plugins" and enable or disable Flash, then reload the affected page only. Selective (click to play) enabling unfortunately won't force HTML5 but will block flash exploits and flash-based tracking.

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                      • #56
                        @Luke

                        I know that, but that enable/disable seems is not enough . Because these reboots happens even if i do nothing in browser, just have browser open and flash player initiased in it .

                        Of course i am not 100% sure in this, but those GPU lockups then reboots and after complitely removed flash, does not happen in last 2-3 days.
                        We will see, issue is very odd one (not at all easely reproducible and take much time) , maybe it will happen after few days again .
                        Last edited by dungeon; 08-01-2014, 10:14 PM.

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                        • #57
                          (This thread an the other articles are TL;DR)
                          Well, what do the sensors say? Are you running an applet/app to check the temps easily? I know about conky, gkrellm, and "sensors" itself...
                          Did you update the BIOS?
                          Have you tried googling it? ( https://www.google.com/search?q=Zenb...om&btnG=Search ) There are a bunch of pages about this particular model, and, as far as I can read (a quick glance... plus ctrl+f "heat" or "hot" or "temp"), none seems to indicate this particular problem:
                          http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2193133
                          http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus...mputex-48.html
                          https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/UX301LA
                          https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ASUS_UX301LA
                          It's all the help I can offer...

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