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  • #31
    I love desktop Linux for the shells and the repos and its open, customizable nature.

    Android seems much better at everything related to GUI than Gnome/GTK.

    The thought of a Gnome/GTK tablet/smartphone sounds terrible. I'd rather see the Linux shell environment and repo culture combined with Android GUI capability.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
      There isn't. Moreover, it was perfectly predictable that Ubuntu Touch would fail. I have every reason to gloat but in all seriousness it's sad. Mark did a huge mistake back in 2009 when he chose to become a Steve Jobs wannabe. And now it's too late to turn back. People have moved on to other distros.
      So you'd have Mark being Steve Ballmer, ignoring the mobile market till it's too late

      The fact is Ubuntu-Touch is a big achievement as it is, the problem though is that it's not ready for market. It needs polish and for someone to harmonise the Core Applications to their initial project designs that got everyone excited for a good reason. Those designs were impressive.

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      • #33
        Here are some of the original designs.












        This is the current design



        It's like the Art/Design Team went on holidays.

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        • #34
          Holy crap that's amazing. It's like taking the flat look to a whole new level of boring.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by mchiron View Post
            What about full windows 8 x86 tablet? You should be able to boot and install any linux distro on those.
            Something like the dell venue 8 pro or the Asus T100.
            They are digitally signed to only boot win

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            • #36
              android was not a success at beginning, but after many years, its starting to make a mark.

              these companys forgot to wait and expend their own money on the projects.

              ubuntu without mark didnt have become this huge. but he didnt like expending without return.

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              • #37
                I thought signed secure boot has to be disable-able on x86 so you could in fact install other distro's?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by e8hffff View Post
                  It's like the Art/Design Team went on holidays.
                  Totally agree. I want to hope that it design is not finished (too).

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by oliver View Post
                    I thought signed secure boot has to be disable-able on x86 so you could in fact install other distro's?
                    Most tablets are ARM

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                    • #40
                      All hope is lost for non-android tablets in the same way all hope is lost for non-Microsoft PCs. In terms of hardware there's simply no competition spec and price wise with the big manufacturers. Maybe it will be better after Intel débuts it's low power processors targeted at the arm market and only if they maintain the same openness they do on their desktop/server side. Otherwise expect mediocre hardware at best for a custom device. The only alternate solution is converting an android tablet.

                      As for the software side, there's Tizen and there's mer and all the UIs built on top of it like Plasma Active, Sailfish OS, Nemo and Seadot. I don't really know where Ubuntu Touch will end up but I don't see it bringing anything relevant to what Tizen aims to be, except for it's brand. I'm also interested to see GNOME 3 on a tablet since that will be more familiar to what's already on the desktop.

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                      • #41
                        No mention of the ZaTab ZT2? https://zareason.com/shop/ZaTab-ZT2.html

                        All hope lost?

                        No. It was just too early for any of this, the problem being drivers, especially GPU drivers. Just hope that AMD's Seattle series Arm Cortex A57 server chips w/ Radeon GPUs get mobile variants not long after.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by powdigsig View Post
                          No, but maybe all hope is lost for Phoronix? lol. Seriously? Firefox OS will rock your pants beginning in 2015.
                          There was never any hope for Phoronix, just look at this place.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by vk512 View Post
                            Seriously crowdfunding is for real innovation, not for me-too products. By the time those dudes have finished their dreamers' crowdfunding campaigns the specs are already 6 months behind the - tough, fierce and real - competition. And when they're eventually ready to deliver it's almost one full year, and the pricing sucks too. And that's not counting the quality setbacks.

                            Who wants another tablet? What's already on the market (be it Android or Surface) is just waiting to be tweaked for those geek enough to want more from state of the art hardware. Ok mods will not help launch the next billionnaire startup, but open-source is about bringing added-value to the user first, and then try to monetize it. Not the other way round.
                            True enough, the most interesting tablet/convertible I've ever seen was the stuff that https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/products/ put out years ago.

                            It has magnets built into the tablet so it can be mounted on the fridge, it had a removable folding docking keyboard containing an extra battery long before the Android tablets did, has the ability to push external monitors, has real USB and HDMI, removable pocket sized tablet for when the full size one is too big.

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                            • #44
                              Of course I dont know anything about the tablet market.
                              But when a company like blackberry is failing, I can not see how canonical, sailfish whatever plan to be succeful. Blackberry is shipping more devices in a day when they have a new product than canonical could pre sell in a month in their campaign. And obiously they don't sell enough to be succeful.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Akka View Post
                                Of course I dont know anything about the tablet market.
                                But when a company like blackberry is failing, I can not see how canonical, sailfish whatever plan to be succeful. Blackberry is shipping more devices in a day when they have a new product than canonical could pre sell in a month in their campaign. And obiously they don't sell enough to be succeful.
                                Jolla will have some success because they're only after the emergent Asian market and already have contracts with telcos. Sailfish OS devices will also run Android apps, just like MeeGo and Maemo could, with Alien Dalvik from Myriad. Tizen also keeps going strong and it's biggest appeal is that it's targeted every type of device, not just phnoes/tablets and have different UXs for different form factors.

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