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  • #16
    Originally posted by mchiron View Post
    What about full windows 8 x86 tablet? You should be able to boot and install any linux distro on those.
    Something like the dell venue 8 pro or the Asus T100.
    That's essentially dumping a full desktop OS on a tablet form factor much like Microsoft has done.

    The only difference is that Microsoft has a good chance of actually making it work because of Metro; it really plays well with touch operation. Having owned a Surface RT myself, I can clearly say that where touch-centric apps are concerned, Microsoft Metro apps delivers the best experience IMHO. IE11 Metro is miles ahead of the various Android browsers and iOS's Safari where ease of use and polish is concerned, and the built-in Metro Mail app is a real joy to use on touch, so much so that I sold off my Galaxy Tab 10 without missing it a bit.

    In fact, words do it no justice; one really has to use a Windows 8 / Windows 8.1 tablet on a regular basis for a month or two and it really grows on you.

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    • #17
      Just want to add a little something (stupid 1 min edit limit):

      Add the fact Windows 8 / Windows RT also features the classic Desktop UI which means that I can connect a microHDMI cable from the Surface RT to a monitor to convert it to a basic workstation with the familiar Desktop UI, which is exactly what I'm doing now while posting this.

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      • #18
        If a full Linux-on-tablet device is to take off I would think that it needs to adopt Microsoft's strategy of having two UIs that interact with each other seamlessly like what Metro currently does; a very touch-centric UI for when the tablet is being used as a , well, tablet, and a traditional desktop metaphor for when the device is connected to a display.

        Let's face it, the current desktop environments for Linux are all horribly inadequate for touch.

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        • #19
          There is a reason why Linux-as-a-desktop never really took off, which carries through with Linux-as-a-tablet: COMMERCIAL APPLICATION SUPPORT!!!

          As nice as the idea is to have a pure-linux-tablet, software developers will always put their resources into a platform that they know will provide them with the widest market. They may or may not extend support to other platforms. The second problem has to do with marketing resources; who is actually going to pay out a huge amount of CASH MONEY to sell a product that may or may not succeed, when they can put out an ANDROID tablet that they can sell with a lot less marketing?

          The fact is that for a piece of tablet hardware to succeed, it really has to support Android first, and anything else second. GNU-Linux on tablet is going to remain a niche product, and remain in the realm of being installed to existing Android tablets.


          As far as dual booting goes, that's trivial, and can be done now, with any hardware.

          Also, firefox OS is going to fail miserably. Its just a neutered version of Android.

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          • #20
            Ubuntu-Touch has got its qualities, but who ever set its milestones clearly didn't know what was important. Example, core applications that an operating system stands on should always reflect the company's persona, yet it was decided that the open community would produce the all main apps. It's absolutely perplexing, and has resulted in a dog's breakfast of quality, style and functionality. If the argument was Canconical didn't have the resources to in-house its own apps then it could have paid performance goals to the community, rather than allow determination to those outside the company.

            Then consider how Canonical's Art/Design team seems to have a back stage in the company. This is mystifying as smart mobile devices are so driven on gestures and hipster flair. Why isn't any of the Design-Team in senior roles dictating their teams position? Mark needs to have trust and have one of these Design members be able to carry though his wants or take hold of those not yet decided on.

            If the situation doesn't change at Canonical then Ubuntu-Touch's success will only happen in slow progression, meaning slow adoption, another struggle similar to the attempts to get the desktop to become mainstream.

            I still can't read an eBook on Ubuntu-Touch. Now installed KitKat on my Nexus 7.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by shmerl View Post
              KDE Vivaldi will be using Wayland in the future version of the Plasma Active, so it's the only interesting option out there.
              Since PlasmaActive is relying on Mer, its hopes of being on large numbers of devices is unlikely to get the enthusiasm needed to convert it, when compared to Ubuntu-Touch and its use of base Android that has existing vast amounts of support.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                Also, firefox OS is going to fail miserably. Its just a neutered version of Android.
                Firefox OS isn't "just a neutered version of Android". It's completely different, they only have in common the Linux kernel and the drivers, everything else is different.

                I don't know if it's going to eventually fail (I hope not because it's the only really community developed project), but it's having some success now (otherwise why carriers are still investing in it?).

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                • #23
                  Odd to see no one mention sailfish, considered the first Jolla phone release at the end of the month. Which if succesful I can easily see them going into tablet market later.

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                  • #24
                    there's arguably still hope left for Ubuntu Touch to become a commercial success
                    There isn't. Moreover, it was perfectly predictable that Ubuntu Touch would fail. I have every reason to gloat but in all seriousness it's sad. Mark did a huge mistake back in 2009 when he chose to become a Steve Jobs wannabe. And now it's too late to turn back. People have moved on to other distros.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
                      If a full Linux-on-tablet device is to take off I would think that it needs to adopt Microsoft's strategy of having two UIs that interact with each other seamlessly like what Metro currently does; a very touch-centric UI for when the tablet is being used as a , well, tablet, and a traditional desktop metaphor for when the device is connected to a display.
                      Ever heard of plasma active? KDE had that long before Windows 8 was even announced. However, unlike windows 8, plasma doesn't expect you to have to manually switch back and forth, and desktop users never even have to know that a touch-based interface is there. It automatically switches to the proper interface depending on the situation (and it isn't limited to just desktop and tablet interfaces, there are also netbook and media center-optimized interfaces).

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by iniudan View Post
                        Odd to see no one mention sailfish, considered the first Jolla phone release at the end of the month. Which if succesful I can easily see them going into tablet market later.
                        I doubt they will be successful. Their phone is a dual core with 1gb ram selling at 400, whereas you can get a Nexus 4 with quad core and 2gb ram for 200~250. The only thing they are offering hardware wise is a replaceable back cover that no one knows how it will be useful.
                        However, I would say that their chances for success is higher than that of Ubuntu since they are going to market soon whereas Ubuntu doesn't even yet have any plans to release a hardware.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by shmerl View Post
                          KDE Vivaldi will be using Wayland in the future version of the Plasma Active, so it's the only interesting option out there.
                          Intresting for who? When was the last time you heared an Adnroid user to be excited because of surfaceflinger? Are you serious?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by verde View Post
                            Intresting for who? When was the last time you heared an Adnroid user to be excited because of surfaceflinger? Are you serious?
                            That is because surfaceflinger is boring

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
                              There isn't. Moreover, it was perfectly predictable that Ubuntu Touch would fail. I have every reason to gloat but in all seriousness it's sad. Mark did a huge mistake back in 2009 when he chose to become a Steve Jobs wannabe. And now it's too late to turn back. People have moved on to other distros.
                              So Ubuntu touch failed(?) (before development finish) because Mark did a "huge mistake" in 2009 and now its too late because people moved to other distros.

                              And thats the reason Ubuntu touch failed(?)...

                              You just made my day...

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                              • #30
                                To answer the question of the article: Yes, and there never was any.

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