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    Phoronix: Tizen 3.0 To Go 64-Bit, Powered By Wayland

    While Tizen/MeeGo has long played with Wayland as an experimental display server, with Tizen 3.0 in 2014 Samsung will be switching to Wayland instead of running an X.Org Server. They will also be switching to native 64-bit builds and making other major changes with Tizen 3.0...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTUxMTE

  • #2
    Is anyone giving a fuck about Tizen anymore?? I mean we hear about it for ages and not a single product appeared on the market. (except a camera)

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    • #3
      ???

      intel and samsung continued wast they time in this Os why?

      its only me but this is like chrome OS, something bad without purpose!

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      • #4
        What, until now they actually used X.org?

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        • #5
          This is what Wayland is all about after all. I hope to use Wayland in my future Samsung toaster (with the Intel Inside sticker )

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Post
            intel and samsung continued wast they time in this Os why?

            its only me but this is like chrome OS, something bad without purpose!
            Chrome OS has a purpose (for google).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
              Is anyone giving a fuck about Tizen anymore?? I mean we hear about it for ages and not a single product appeared on the market. (except a camera)
              There's also a tablet...

              And yes, some people give a fuck. Apparently the resident ubuntard trolls give enough fucks to troll this thread with their usual inane bullshit, anyway...

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              • #8
                Tizen won't be taking off anywhere except IVI in the near future at least.
                Samsung has delayed the launch of devices repeatedly throughout this year because the software simply isn't ready, Intel has literally no deployment plans for Tizen on the desktop except 'lets develop it, screw marketing' and has no partners for such a deployment, Android users will be reluctant to shift because they won't be able to access paid apps due to the lack of the Google Play store and the added competition from Firefox OS and Jolla won't help Tizen's position.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                  Is anyone giving a fuck about Tizen anymore?? I mean we hear about it for ages and not a single product appeared on the market. (except a camera)
                  Tizen is the reference implementation for GENIVI-compliant products. Many commercial IVI solutions are based on Tizen in this market.
                  Samsung's Linux-based smart TV OS has been announced to switch to a Tizen base as well, although I don't know if these TVs have entered the market, yet.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                    Tizen won't be taking off anywhere except IVI in the near future at least.
                    Wouldn't be so sure about that. There's already a tablet running Tizen.

                    Samsung has delayed the launch of devices repeatedly throughout this year because the software simply isn't ready,
                    By that logic, Fedora is never getting another release again... delays happen, it's natural for a new technology.

                    Samsung however has plenty of incentive to invest heavily in Tizen, as Google is tightening their control over the Android platform... notice how Google is slowly replacing all the open-source userland apps of Android with closed programs? Samsung already maintains their own versions of Android userland apps, because they're planning for the future - they don't want to be left in a situation where they're dependant on Google for their platform.

                    Samsung will probably bring a Tizen phone to the market either in time for christmas shopping, or the next CES in spring.

                    Intel has literally no deployment plans for Tizen on the desktop except 'lets develop it, screw marketing' and has no partners for such a deployment,
                    You know this how? They wouldn't necessarily tell it until they can come out with a grand announcement and a product they can show. Again, I bet they'll show something at CES.

                    Android users will be reluctant to shift because they won't be able to access paid apps due to the lack of the Google Play store and the added competition from Firefox OS and Jolla won't help Tizen's position.
                    What? Tizen will have its own app store, and there's no reason why app developers wouldn't sell their apps in it. Play isn't the only Android app store in the world...

                    Also, Jolla won't release in all markets. They can't release in the US because the local patent system is a mess, and Samsung can probably sell bricks as phones in Korea and Japan, they have very strong market position in the far east...

                    Yes, of course there's competition, that's what makes it interesting. At this point, it's far too early to say which ones win and which ones lose - it's all open at this point. I'm just saying, the situation isn't nearly as clear-cut as you claim.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dee. View Post
                      Wouldn't be so sure about that. There's already a tablet running Tizen.
                      The Tizen tablet is produced by a small manufacturer and only sold in one region (Japan) and only marketed to developers, not users. (That is a typical tactic if your product is so deficient that normal users would instantly return the device.) Which is a disgrace given the size of the other companies involved in Tizen.
                      Originally posted by dee. View Post
                      Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                      Samsung has delayed the launch of devices repeatedly throughout this year because the software simply isn't ready
                      By that logic, Fedora is never getting another release again... delays happen, it's natural for a new technology.
                      If they wait too long until release, then the competition will have captured the market. The Fedora example actually applies here; even though their installer still had issues, they decided to release anyway.
                      Originally posted by dee. View Post
                      Samsung will probably bring a Tizen phone to the market either in time for christmas shopping, or the next CES in spring.
                      Do you have a reference for this, or is this just a guess? The reason that Samsung cited to delay their previous Tizen phone still applies.
                      Originally posted by dee. View Post
                      Originally posted by intellivision View Post
                      Intel has literally no deployment plans for Tizen on the desktop except 'lets develop it, screw marketing' and has no partners for such a deployment,
                      You know this how? They wouldn't necessarily tell it until they can come out with a grand announcement and a product they can show. Again, I bet they'll show something at CES.
                      If by CES you mean CES 2012, then you are right: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398815,00.asp and we all know what came out of that.

                      When intellivision posts about Intel and other companies not supporting Tizen without giving a reference, you are rightfully skeptical. But on the other hand, you do not apply the same skepticism to the unfounded positive claims that you wrote about.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dee. View Post
                        Wouldn't be so sure about that. There's already a tablet running Tizen.

                        Samsung will probably bring a Tizen phone to the market either in time for christmas shopping, or the next CES in spring.
                        CES almost always lands in January, that's not Spring.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Andrecorreia View Post
                          intel and samsung continued wast they time in this Os why?

                          its only me but this is like chrome OS, something bad without purpose!
                          This might just be my opinion, but I find an OS designed to fit completely inside a ramdisk image to be interesting.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chithanh View Post
                            The Tizen tablet is produced by a small manufacturer and only sold in one region (Japan) and only marketed to developers, not users. (That is a typical tactic if your product is so deficient that normal users would instantly return the device.) Which is a disgrace given the size of the other companies involved in Tizen.
                            Wow, that's a pretty cynical attitude. Developer devices are developed so that developers have devices to test their software on, it makes perfect sense for them to be released before actual consumer devices - after all, consumers expect there to be software available at launch...

                            What exactly is "deficient" about the Japanese tablet?

                            Anyway, I only pointed out the tablet to show that there are indeed Tizen devices coming out. The release of a developer platform signals clearly that there's going to be more devices in the future (or that there's at least the intention of bringing more devices in the future).

                            If they wait too long until release, then the competition will have captured the market. The Fedora example actually applies here; even though their installer still had issues, they decided to release anyway.
                            True, but if they release too early, when the software still has bugs, people will get a shitty first impression of the software. See: Ubuntu, Pulseaudio.

                            And the concern about competition capturing the market probably doesn't apply here. Jolla will not bring their phone out before the end of the year, and they only bring out one phone which isn't sold at all markets, so it's not like it's necessarily in direct competition with Tizen. Android? Samsung is already themselves the biggest seller of Android phones, so there's not really much danger of Android being a competitor to them... Firefox OS is aimed at a different market segment, as it mainly targets low-end phones, so it isn't a concern. And Ubuntu phone is vaporware.

                            So what competition does Tizen on the mobile have to watch out for?

                            Do you have a reference for this, or is this just a guess? The reason that Samsung cited to delay their previous Tizen phone still applies.
                            If by CES you mean CES 2012, then you are right: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398815,00.asp and we all know what came out of that.
                            We don't really know what happens inside intel. We don't know their reasons for doing things. Personally, I don't really care that much about the phones or tablets, but I hope they will bring out Tizen ultrabooks. Which they've also already demoed.

                            When intellivision posts about Intel and other companies not supporting Tizen without giving a reference, you are rightfully skeptical. But on the other hand, you do not apply the same skepticism to the unfounded positive claims that you wrote about.
                            I don't really make any positive claims. I'm just saying that we don't know what happens inside Intel/Samsung, and both have plenty of incentive to bring out Tizen-based hardware. Do you think they'd be investing all this work and money on Tizen for fun? And don't say they just do it for the IVI, because they also invest in mobile/desktop versions of Tizen...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dee. View Post
                              Wow, that's a pretty cynical attitude. Developer devices are developed so that developers have devices to test their software on, it makes perfect sense for them to be released before actual consumer devices - after all, consumers expect there to be software available at launch...
                              If the developer device had been released at CES 2012, this would have been acceptable. But the device was released literally days before the end of the Tizen App Challenge according to its original schedule. Difficulty in acquiring suitable test devices was repeatedly cited by developers as reason to request a submission deadline extension, and the request was granted less than 48 hours before the end (it was 1 November, now it is 8 December).
                              Originally posted by dee. View Post
                              What exactly is "deficient" about the Japanese tablet?
                              I don't say that it is deficient, I only note that if it were seriously deficient in any way (usability, performance, battery life, app quality, ...) launching it as developer-only device is precisely what one would expect.
                              Originally posted by dee. View Post
                              I don't really make any positive claims.
                              You claimed that Samsung "probably" launches a Tizen device before Christmas or at CES.
                              Originally posted by dee. View Post
                              I'm just saying that we don't know what happens inside Intel/Samsung, and both have plenty of incentive to bring out Tizen-based hardware. Do you think they'd be investing all this work and money on Tizen for fun? And don't say they just do it for the IVI, because they also invest in mobile/desktop versions of Tizen...
                              It's just my impression and I don't have any hard data to back this up, but to me it looks like Intel does not invest heavily in Tizen. A handful of developers maybe, most of which were formerly working on MeeGo apparently. Android and even ChromeOS see much more love from Intel nowadays.

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