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    Phoronix: Sailfish SDK Update Switches From X11 To Wayland

    The Jolla Mobile developers that are in the midst of their first smart phone just updated their SDK to support Qt 5, Qt Quick 2, and Wayland...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQyNzI

  • #2
    I wonder if anyone will ever port Hildon and Matchbox to the Mer/Wayland stack?

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    • #3
      I am psyched for the Jolla phone. Sailfish looks so awesome!

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      • #4
        I am overjoyed to read about this, for a multitude of reasons. Of course, we knew they were aiming for Wayland, but knowing it will ship with the Jolla phone is going to give plenty for the naysayers to chew on.

        Not to mention Jolla is much more concerned with contributing back to the community in a standard, universally friendly way. They're a good example of how a contributor should behave.

        From my perspective, this is the mobile platform I'm most excited for. Android is only barely related to the Linux I know and love, and while Ubuntu touch is much closer, they're going off in a direction where no one else can follow.

        However, Jolla has come up with an impressive vision of a modern user interface, with interesting concepts surrounding the launch hardware, and they're validating Mer and keeping the tradition MeeGo started alive. They're keeping it in the ecosystem, not wasting time redoing things, getting up to date and exploring the future of Linux.

        Despite the issue of some of their components not being open source as of yet, Jolla has been much more accommodating with the community than any other mobile project I can think of. I hope they will succeed and continue to work together with the rest of us, as we share quite a bit of history.

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        • #5
          Hear, hear!

          Jolla (in particular the software side) rather than the corporatized Tizen is the "closest" thing we have to an open stack able to handle all the essentials and more for 90+% people. It really should be an available option in the face of all the top-down surveillance we're currently subjected to.

          What saddens me on the hardware side is that the Jolla group ended up in bed with Chinese partners, rather than folks from countries where freedom and openness are still somewhat respected. Well, they had options but chose to do it that way.

          Perhaps one day it will be possible to purchase a generic "blank" handset, load Jolla / Sailfish OS and either enjoy a basic user experince or buy a subscription to updates from the Finnish company...

          Originally posted by scionicspectre View Post
          However, Jolla has come up with an impressive vision of a modern user interface, with interesting concepts surrounding the launch hardware, and they're validating Mer and keeping the tradition MeeGo started alive.
          MeeGo (who ever coined it...) did switch to Qt as the toolkit of choice, but what got the ball rolling was good old Maemo followed by Mer...

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          • #6
            A Question

            Can I do remote displays under Wayland and ssh like I do under X and ssh?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by misGnomer View Post
              MeeGo (who ever coined it...) did switch to Qt as the toolkit of choice, but what got the ball rolling was good old Maemo followed by Mer...
              Maemo had the best interface though. From the little I have seen, even MeeGo is much more iOS/Android like in WM/task switching terms, and even general looks. Hildon and Matchbox was a real desktop with just the mods needed to be good on a small touch screen.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Remote User View Post
                Can I do remote displays under Wayland and ssh like I do under X and ssh?
                not yet, even so threis experimental support for RDP and realVNC is interested in a wayland port but is X through ssh there is no equivalent yet.

                but don't worry most DE will work with wayland and X11, so stay in the XCB backend until wayland for network is defined[i think is better outside wayland personally and i think it should be provided for the toolkit which is the appropiated level]

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by misGnomer View Post
                  What saddens me on the hardware side is that the Jolla group ended up in bed with Chinese partners, rather than folks from countries where freedom and openness are still somewhat respected.
                  What saddens me is that the USA (for example) invades Iraq (several times), kills 100K+ Iraqis and is considered "democracy", tries (and succeeds) to organize coups around the world (including Iran, Ukraine, Georgia etc etc) spies on all people it has access to inside the USA and outside USA, kill anyone with drones around the world without trial, trumps its own Constitution, has 100+ military bases around the world and is still considered "democracy", while pour China who hasn't started a war with anyone for a long time is considered an "oppressive regime" because its people are so pour they (like many Mexicans in the USA) are willing to work a lot for limited amounts of money.
                  Last edited by mark45; 08-02-2013, 03:52 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Indeed. To highlight another big baddy, NK isn't at war with anyone, they're not spying on us, and the last I heard from them, it was a video showing american brainwashing techniques.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                      What saddens me is that the USA ...
                      Sigh.

                      Sorry if I brought this on.

                      I'm from Northern Europe, rather well educated and all too well aware about the past and current shortcomings (OK, an understatement there) of the militaristic, religious and rightwing USA, but after decades worth of deep involvement with the "People's Republic of China" and their quest for Lebenraum, several wars and ongoing border military incursions and centrally controlled internal, yes, oppression, I'm sorry to say that your rose-tinted view of the PRC is, well, severely lacking.

                      Not that I personally blame you since it was first Nixon and then Clinton who, thanks to Kissinger's new plan for world order and big western investors/shareholders, "rehabilitated" the PRC and made it part of Apple's etc. supply line.

                      It takes some time and effort, but you can still read about the PRC's real history since the party took over in 1949. Of course there are no more manchus left and "south-mongolians" are a dying breed, but some Tibetans and Uighurs are still trying to hang on to their ancestral lands, languages, customs and religions against all odds, and yes, genocidal oppression.

                      Now, the party handbook (it was... leaked decades ago!) has taught paid and unpaid regime loyalist to bring up native americans (and aboriginees etc.) to try and kill every english-language debate in public forums, and theoretically they have a point (all violent colonialism really is wrong!) , but they're only trying to deflect the fact that the PRC is still very actively and violently pursuing their "racially supremacist" long-term Lebensraum policy. And our western (and the rest) goverments are quietly giving them winks and nods due to corporate/commercial, um, convenience.

                      But apologies again for taking the bait. Maybe my (geek) friends are more conscientious than average (albeit not "left-wing" for chrissakes), but despite all of USA's screwupness (just Manning and Snowden for example, and our american friends really should stand up there for everyone's sake!) even the USA has nothing on China when it comes to sheer scale of brutality, indoctrination and large-scale genocide that keeps happening on there, even against many of their own "han" people.

                      But keep on learning China's communist party -formalized "mandarin" and its simplified script and maybe you too will some day have great business opportunities under their benevolent future mandate. Or whatever will float your very own boat.

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                      • #12
                        my wallet is burning waiting for that jolla phone, i feel a painful need to give them my money

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                          What saddens me is that the USA (for example) invades Iraq (several times), kills 100K+ Iraqis and is considered "democracy", tries (and succeeds) to organize coups around the world (including Iran, Ukraine, Georgia etc etc) spies on all people it has access to inside the USA and outside USA, kill anyone with drones around the world without trial, trumps its own Constitution, has 100+ military bases around the world and is still considered "democracy", while pour China who hasn't started a war with anyone for a long time is considered an "oppressive regime" because its people are so pour they (like many Mexicans in the USA) are willing to work a lot for limited amounts of money.
                          The difference is that Americans VOTE (and by definition choose) for all those things while the NKans (that curaga mentioned) don't. And USAians reap the outcome of their polices. (ie 9/11 etc.) Democracy has nothing to do with the way a nation behaves.


                          As for the jolla phone i want to see the dimensions of the thing. The prototypes look rather big and the big bezels spoil it for me.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mark45 View Post
                            What saddens me is that the USA (for example) invades Iraq (several times), kills 100K+ Iraqis and is considered "democracy", tries (and succeeds) to organize coups around the world (including Iran, Ukraine, Georgia etc etc) spies on all people it has access to inside the USA and outside USA, kill anyone with drones around the world without trial, trumps its own Constitution, has 100+ military bases around the world and is still considered "democracy", while pour China who hasn't started a war with anyone for a long time is considered an "oppressive regime" because its people are so pour they (like many Mexicans in the USA) are willing to work a lot for limited amounts of money.
                            Phoronix Linux Forum.......


                            Originally posted by misGnomer View Post
                            Sigh.

                            Sorry if I brought this on.

                            I'm from Northern Europe, rather well educated and all too well aware about the past and current shortcomings (OK, an understatement there) of the militaristic, religious and rightwing USA, but after decades worth of deep involvement with the "People's Republic of China" and their quest for Lebenraum, several wars and ongoing border military incursions and centrally controlled internal, yes, oppression, I'm sorry to say that your rose-tinted view of the PRC is, well, severely lacking.

                            Not that I personally blame you since it was first Nixon and then Clinton who, thanks to Kissinger's new plan for world order and big western investors/shareholders, "rehabilitated" the PRC and made it part of Apple's etc. supply line.

                            It takes some time and effort, but you can still read about the PRC's real history since the party took over in 1949. Of course there are no more manchus left and "south-mongolians" are a dying breed, but some Tibetans and Uighurs are still trying to hang on to their ancestral lands, languages, customs and religions against all odds, and yes, genocidal oppression.

                            Now, the party handbook (it was... leaked decades ago!) has taught paid and unpaid regime loyalist to bring up native americans (and aboriginees etc.) to try and kill every english-language debate in public forums, and theoretically they have a point (all violent colonialism really is wrong!) , but they're only trying to deflect the fact that the PRC is still very actively and violently pursuing their "racially supremacist" long-term Lebensraum policy. And our western (and the rest) goverments are quietly giving them winks and nods due to corporate/commercial, um, convenience.

                            But apologies again for taking the bait. Maybe my (geek) friends are more conscientious than average (albeit not "left-wing" for chrissakes), but despite all of USA's screwupness (just Manning and Snowden for example, and our american friends really should stand up there for everyone's sake!) even the USA has nothing on China when it comes to sheer scale of brutality, indoctrination and large-scale genocide that keeps happening on there, even against many of their own "han" people.

                            But keep on learning China's communist party -formalized "mandarin" and its simplified script and maybe you too will some day have great business opportunities under their benevolent future mandate. Or whatever will float your very own boat.
                            wait this is a Phoronix Linux Forum? is it not? why are we talking about the GOV? and why do you Say USA China and not the US government or the Chinese government? you act if you're talking about the People who have no power over the government this is a Phoronix Forum too?
                            but you say you're "rather well educated"?
                            Last edited by LinuxGamer; 08-02-2013, 05:18 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Hard corners

                              Their phone has hard corners like the Lumia. Hard corners are uncomfortable hold. They might as well throw their phones straight into the trash as far as I'm concerned.

                              But thanks for putting Linux on phones I guess. Maybe someone can port it over to a decent phone from another manufacturer.

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