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  • KDE Vivaldi Tablet Upgraded, Closer To Release

    Phoronix: KDE Vivaldi Tablet Upgraded, Closer To Release

    The KDE Vivaldi Tablet, which has been a project led by Aaron Seigo for having a Linux-friendly tablet powered by Plasma Active and Mer Core, is finally getting closer to hopefully seeing the light of day...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTM4MTQ

  • #2
    Yes.

    The moment this comes out I'm going to buy it because I feel that this is the only real Linux powered tablet/mobile OS.

    BTW how will be the GPS problem solved (there is no supported device yet as far as I know)?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Honton View Post
      Not true. Intel already did alot of Gnome work for Tizen. It was already reported some days ago. And now Endless Mobile put together a very solid team of experienced people. They will take Linux mobile OS to tje next level.
      http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-will-j...devices-world/

      And it is Gnome powered meaning corporate support.
      Tizen without E17... Thanks I'll pass.

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      • #4
        Michael, it's the A20, which is a dual-A7.

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        • #5
          The Vivaldi tablet isn't by KDE.
          Individuals from within KDE decided to found a company which is the Vivaldi vendor but that's it.

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          • #6
            pengpod

            Originally posted by Redi44 View Post
            The moment this comes out I'm going to buy it because I feel that this is the only real Linux powered tablet/mobile OS.
            neal from pengpod has one. same allwinner processor. look it up.

            BTW how will be the GPS problem solved (there is no supported device yet as far as I know)?
            mmm yeah we weren't asked to put GPS in this iteration, but there's no reason why it shouldn't be added, if someone can come up with a 10k order (or is otherwise willing to pay the development NREs) it's easily done.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by c117152 View Post
              Tizen without E17... Thanks I'll pass.
              Mobile phones still seem like a good idea to me.
              http://www.afghanistan-today.org/article/?id=268

              I really hope the Vivaldi tablet gets released.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tbelvin View Post
                Mobile phones still seem like a good idea to me.
                In the general sense?! Sure mobiles are useful. I still don't think Tizen should be used without E17 on either Desktop, Laptop or Mobile.
                My issue is with the Intel's Tizen Ultrabook prototype that was mentioned. Tizen is all about the EFL and E17 so throwing Gnome in there is just wrong. Like, Mono (.Net) on linux wrong. Worse, I have E17 running and being used regularly on my desktop as well as my laptop so I really can't think of a reason Intel would prefer Gnome over it.

                Originally posted by tbelvin View Post
                I really hope the Vivaldi tablet gets released.
                I hope so too. Despite my dislike of all things C++, I can live with Qt for the most part. So, maybe having KDE on a tablet won't suck too much.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Honton View Post
                  Intel is throwing tons of development ressources towards COGL, clutter, and wayland. So it is quite natural to support Gnome.
                  Intel is hedging their bets on Tizen, Gnome and KDE in response to Microsoft's Windows RT. However since you brought Wayland into this, I do in fact support Wayland and would very much like the GTK to do the same.

                  Originally posted by Honton View Post
                  You should be happy for Gnome,
                  I'm happy GTK will support Wayland since I have some GUI code I don't care to rewrite. I'm also happy GIMP is available since I do use it.
                  However, I'm not happy about Gnome3 sucking. I'm not happy about the network-manager tight integration which forces me to go through some hops to get WiFi on my laptop through connman, Intel's own connectivity daemon. I'm not happy about the new theme engine in GTK\Gnome with those CSS files that expose a tenth of the mod-ability for twice the complexity. I'm not happy about Gnome's virtual desktops. I'm not happy about Gnome's task switching mechanism (or lack of). I'm not happy about just about every singe thing Gnome3 brought about.

                  Originally posted by Honton View Post
                  no one else is able to gain this kind of support.
                  Except for KDE and E17.

                  Originally posted by Honton View Post
                  Join.
                  I still maintain GTK code. But I don't write new code using it. I get the same HORRIBLE C++ like code style in all the GUI kits. With the exception of Qt being written in C++. But, with EFL I don't have to suffer working around old crappy code that should have been deprecated but is kept for "backwards compatibility". And when I find a bug in the EFL, I can hunt down a dev on IRC or Phabricator and get a reply, and even an upstreamed fix, within a day or two. Most of all, unlike GTK, the EFL is actually well designed and wasn't tailored as a photo editing menu. Sure it has it's problems since it's still young and a little buggy, but the abstractions make sense and it's factored well enough for me to just use what I need.
                  So no, I don't care to join.

                  p.s. To be honest the vast majority of my work is at most stdout.
                  Last edited by c117152; 06-03-2013, 01:02 PM. Reason: typos, sentence structure, drama :D

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Honton View Post
                    First of all let's be clear about one thing. The Gnome camp are the only DE intending to use the Wayland protocol as it was designed. KDE is already way ahead of bending intentions of the protocol.
                    In what way? You mean server side window decorations?

                    AFAIK, KDE intends to only provide a session compositor, and run on top of Weston or another system compositor, so i don't think anything they do can be that bad.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Honton View Post
                      Yes. This bending will result in uneeded complexity.
                      KDE is not bending anything. Wayland does not have client-side decorations, Weston does. Wayland and Weston are not the same thing. Nothing in Wayland requires client-side decorations, and there is no requirement in Wayland that session compositors behave remotely similar to Weston. Neither KDE nor Gnome will use Weston as their session compositor, KDE will use kwin and Gnome will use mutter.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Honton View Post
                        First of all let's be clear about one thing. The Gnome camp are the only DE intending to use the Wayland protocol as it was designed. KDE is already way ahead of bending intentions of the protocol. This will end bad.
                        I'm not familiar with any wrong doings on the side of KDE, nor am I particularly familiar with the it's inner workings. Can you be more specific or is this, as the other commenter suggested, a Weston thing?
                        Wayland is the library and protocol. Weston is a design reference compositor. It's somewhat like ARM's Mali core getting replaced. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, ARM and Wayland both were designed with that sort of modularity in mind.

                        Originally posted by Honton View Post
                        There is a large common pool of people who do Wayland and GTK hacking, so it really does not make sense to say GTK supports Wayland. Wayland and GTK are developed in conjunction by the very same people.
                        If there is hacking to be done, then support isn't obvious. Also, saying GTK and Wayland are developed by the same people doesn't entail support. People work on multiple projects that don't glue well together. Marketing likes to call it product interpolation or some other mambo jambo... Essentially, GTK support for Wayland is a work in progress much like Wayland itself.

                        Originally posted by Honton View Post
                        All your critism of Gnome are really minor and can be fixed or mitigated. I know because I do that myself.
                        In GTK's case, design problems like this aren't addressable without breaking backwards comparability which the developers are clearly not ready nor willing to do. It's reasonable enough on their part since there is a lot of code relying on them. But for new projects it's just unreasonable to use GTK and so I use Qt and EFL.
                        In Gnome's case, I just prefer the alternatives. My work flow isn't terribly affected regardless of what I use so it's a matter of convenience. I find Gnome3 clunky and uncomfortable in the same way I find Unity silly. When I can, I prefer E17 since I can tweak it just the way I like and I'm mostly content with it's design. But overall anything ranging from Openbox or Awesome to KDE works fine for me. I previously worked around some of Gnome3 issues using extensions and such, but I could never get it right like I can in E17. Again, it's all personal and I'm sure some people like the new Gnome, I'm just not one of them.

                        Originally posted by Honton View Post
                        Finding corporate support for other DEs are a much much tougher task.
                        Didn't I already mention KDE and EFL? Both have corporate support:
                        KDE: http://ev.kde.org/supporting-members.php
                        EFL: http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p.../sponsors&l=en
                        More so, both also receive indirect support. The EFL is indirectly supported by Intel through Tizen while KDE stands on Qt's shoulders.
                        And while I eschew on the validity of this corporate support notion, EFL's developing stuff is on Samsung's payroll. EFL\Tizen isn't just some project they support but rather a part of their product line tooling. Besides the cellular lines, Samsung is putting Tizen on anything from cameras and cars, to refrigerators. Even KDE's Qt is a product for a company. Intel on the other hand, has no direct invested interests in Gnome as far as I can tell. None of their products actually uses it so if there is any rational in supporting it, it's to mitigate Microsoft's hold on servers in small businesses by offering a comfortable linux alternative so they won't end up dependent on them. i.e. hedging their bets...

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